Re: [PHP-EVANGELISM] Question on business want for PHP

All,
In summary, what would be key points to remember when making small talk
with management about PHP.  I think that if we post a top 10 list for
the people to remember about PHP, it would help many of us when trying
to sell PHP to our management.  I have been trying to incorporate PHP
into things I do.  An example is when I was asked to develop a small
quiz for one of our clients.  Well, I first did it in PHP, to get the
logic down, then replaced the code with JSP/Java.  The good side was
showing that it only took an hour and a half to do it, with Java/JSP, it
took 3.  



On Sun, 2003-07-20 at 14:02, Al Baker wrote:
> I work for Avaya, formerly part of Lucent/ATT, and while most of our
> system management applications have been done in your standard
> enterprise languages (Java/C/C++), I have pioneered the use of PHP on
> some of the smaller system management web interfaces.  As the sole
> developer on the management system, I was able to turn something out
> within 2 months - relatively short amount of time.
> 
> I have to say that getting PHP adopted internally (now used on a few
> projects) has been tough, but once people started using it and seeing
> that they could reduce their development times, it's been working well.
> 
> I'm actually still in college ( I joined the company early and have been
> finishing my degree online at www.umuc.edu ).  As for learning, PHP is
> probably not the best starter language, but it can certainly help you
> prototype some of your other projects.  I never found algorithms hard in
> C++ or Java, but I would spend hours on the little gotchas like finding
> a character within a word and all these relatively minute details.  
> 
> In the enterprise market, I doubt you will see PHP as an expertise
> criteria at any huge company (huge as in IBM, Microsoft, AT&T, Avaya,
> Motorola, etc).  However, there are tons of smaller companies that are
> just looking for a quick solution that you can provide to them with php.
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, 2003-07-20 at 01:23, Jonathan Villa wrote:
> > Stan, 
> > 
> > I hope others reply to this because I am also interested in learning
> > about this.  I can tell you my experience.
> > 
> > I am also from the Chicago area (I work downtown) and work for one of
> > the city's most talented consulting firms.  While they have talented
> > developers, I feel that PHP and other Open Source Solutions could
> > provide the same solutions which they are using...But overall, it seems
> > to me that most people are using proprietary solutions only because of
> > marketing and the fact that most people have certifications in such
> > areas.  Go to Zend.com, there is a link to some information about
> > Java/PHP integration, which I am trying to bring up with my company. 
> > This is a good thing... I am also looking into it myself, along with PHP
> > MVC based apps.  I am in charge for the development of a certain
> > website, and it's all done using Open Source technology...
> > 
> > Perhaps looking into a Computer Science degree or a Computer Information
> > Systems degree would be beneficial, all while maintaining your PHP. 
> > While you learn things in school, and work on projects, port them over
> > into PHP.  This way you can prove to your employer that the same things
> > can be done using PHP that be done with the others.
> > 
> > As far as jobs, go to Zend.com, they have some info...I haven't seen
> > much, but could be wrong.  Also, go to http://chiphpug.php.net, maybe
> > you can signup. I'm thinking of it...
> > 
> > On Sat, 2003-07-19 at 12:26, Stan Lemon wrote:
> > > Hey there, I'm hoping I'm in bounds of the purpose of this news mailing 
> > > list with this post, but I guess what I am wondering if how much of a 
> > > demand for PHP programmers is there in the business world?  Reason I ask 
> > > is because I am going to be a freshman college student very well versed 
> > > in PHP and living in the Chicago land area (actually I'm going to school 
> > > right outside of the city) and I have been contemplating on what type of 
> > > a job I'll be able to find when I attend.  Is it worth it for me to look 
> > > for companies which might need PHP based solutions?  Also, I don't have 
> > > any type of certification, is there something I should be looking 
> > > toward?  And finally, I'm assuming most of you guys have portfolios of 
> > > some sort, what do these look like?
> > > 
> > > I would love to program in PHP and design write applications for 
> > > businesses, but is this probable/plausible, or am I hoping for something 
> > > I won't find?
> > > 
> > > Thanks,
> > > - Stan
> > > 
> >