Re: PHP on .NET DLR

[email protected] (Rasmus Lerdorf) Fri, 10 Aug 2007 07:59:23 -0700
Newsgroups php.evangelism
Message-ID <[email protected]>
PHP has historically never chased fads.  We wait and see which platforms
win, and we end up on those simply because we need PHP on those
platforms.  When/if Silverlight becomes a viable platform for real
large-scale deployment, PHP will be on it.  Many PHP sites are small,
but most strive to be the next Yahoo/Facebook/Technorati/Vonage etc. and
at this point I see no sign of any of these major players doing anything
at all with Silverlight.  M$ has a major hurdle on their hands.  I'm not
particularly anti-M$, and I hope they do somehow come up with a way to
make it easy to deploy, manage and monitor in a cost-effective way a
colo full of machines that can run a Silverlight application that takes
a billion hits a day.

Most contributors to the PHP project work on realworld applications.  We
are a very pragmatic bunch.  We build what we need.  We don't build what
we think people might need in 3 years if the stars align correctly.
This approach has worked extremely well for 12 years now.  Right now
nobody working on PHP needs Silverlight, nor has there been a
significant level of interest in it from PHP users.  Perhaps we all have
our heads in the sand and Silverlight will stomp all over everything
else.  Frankly I am seeing more interest in Adobe Air from where I sit
here in Silicon Valley working for the highest-trafficed web site in the
world.  Yet we still deploy more freebsd/linux servers with Apache and
PHP than anything else and that won't change for years to come.

-Rasmus

K T Ligesh wrote:
>  Hi,
> 
>   So that's it? 'Nobody cares' (tm)? 'You can switch to Ruby if you want to, and nobody's stopping you'? Or am I on the wrong list?
> 
>   Does the PHP community have any interest in PHP on DLR? IronRuby is going to be hosted on RubyForge, so it is going to be a community effort ultimately, and that's one of the things that attracted MS. In contrast, the PHP community is SO hostile to DLR that they are ignoring a fully finished implementation--phalanger?
> 
>  To be frank, with Silverlight, I don't think anyone has a choice now. The hype is too much, and the number of hits that ironRuby gives on Google is staggering, especially considering its nascent pre-alpha state. So PHP will be one of those things that didn't adapt to the changes and then loses the war.
> 
>  There's lot to be learned from history--VHS vs betamax or Redhat vs Caldera. Mindshare is the key. You lose that, and then there wont' be anything for anyone to monetize.
> 
>  Thanks for listening.
> 
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