Re: [PHP] php applications

Michael wrote:
> Robert Cummings wrote:
>  > Michael wrote:
>  >> "Languages were designed to be programmed, what they are programmed to
>  >> do is entirely up to the programmer."
>  >>
>  >> Perhaps there is no hope then. This is so distant from the actual case
>  >> it does not require more than pointing out.
>  >>
>  >> If you want to write demons in php fine, i wince at the thought.
>  >
>  > Demons are fantastical creatures. The word you're erroneously trying to
>  > repeat is "daemon".
> You'll find both spellings refer to the same thing.

Doh.

>  >> The question isnt whether a PHP programmer thinks PHP is the right
>  >> tool for the job, unanimously the answer will be 'yes' because of the
>  >> myopia of the position. It is whether people with experience on a
>  >> number of different platform, using a number of different languages
>  >> think it is... i've yet to hear *anyone* in this position advocate PHP.
>  >
>  > I don't have myopia, I've already said many times that there can
>  > certainly be better ways to do something, there can be more established
>  > choices, but just because there are, doesn't preclude the use of a less
>  > worthy tool with the possible side effect that the less worthy tool
>  > undergoes some kind of evolution such that it becomes a better choice in
>  > the future.
> You're advocating using a hammer as a screwdriver to spur the invention 
> of the screwdriver? We already have the screwdriver, it's called python. 
> If you need a drill there's Java, etc.

No, I'm advocation the invention of the Robertson screwdriver despite 
the existence of the Philips screwdriver!

> There was a time when C was a less worthy choice, there was
>  > a time when Java was a less worthy choice, there was a time when you
>  > probably had a more open mind. The fact remains that things change, and
>  > usually change is driven by some impetus. That impetus may indeed be due
>  > to the selected environment having been found lacking.
> 
> Yes, certainly. This is why we have phc, phalanger, pint, mod_php, 
> PHP4Mono, etc.

I'm not sure what point you were making with the above list.

> You'll also notice youre talking about a progression of languages... not 
> a progression within a language. People arent writing operating systems 
> in python precisely because that would be an absurd misuse of a tool, 
> nor are they writing RDMBs in PHP. There are good reasons for this.

No, I'm specifically talking about a progression WITHIN a language. When 
C first came out there were likely almost no libraries available and 
many many ASM libraries. That changed over time. You already made a 
point about libraries being a reasonable criteria for language selection.

Cheers,
Rob.
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