Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Candidate Info for Home Page

On 10/01/11 7:20 PM, Hannes Magnusson wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 20:29, Ferenc Kovacs<[email protected]>  wrote:
>>
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>> On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 8:23 PM, Hannes Magnusson
>> <[email protected]>  wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 20:23, Ferenc Kovacs<[email protected]>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 8:21 PM, Hannes Magnusson
>>>> <[email protected]>  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 19:23, Ferenc Kovacs<[email protected]>  wrote:
>>>>>> Bringing back the discussion to the list, didn't meant to do this
>>>>>> off-list.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Hannes Magnusson
>>>>>> <[email protected]>  wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sure, there is a lot of work still to be done, but I think its
>>>>>>> valuable place for newcomers to see who are behind the project, and
>>>>>>> much more valuable then listing random companies who have no
>>>>>>> involvement at all.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Agree, but just for the record: I didn't suggested that we should
>>>>>> list
>>>>>> random companies who have no involvement at all. :)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> There are no companies behind PHP. There are random individuals behind
>>>>> it. Some contributors do so on company time, but there is no company
>>>>> that is actually developing PHP.
>>>>> This list would then be a list of companies using PHP.. and where
>>>>> would you draw the line there?
>>>>> It will turn ugly very fast, and is imo not worth it.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Btw. what about Zend? :P
>>>
>>> What about them?
>>
>> I asked first. :) You said, that there is no company behind the project.
>> That was repeated numerous times in the mailing list (that php is developed
>> by a few inviduals and the community, in the spare time of the contributors,
>> etc.), but I think that there are some clear overlappings between the two
>> group (zend and the php contributors). Quoting from zend.com:
>
>
> What companies say on their websites is irrelevant.
> The majority of contributors work on PHP in their spare time, but
> there are also bunch of companies that let their employees contribute
> to PHP on company time (and some even expect certain people too).
> That however does not mean that those companies are in control of PHP
> or have some sort of magical powers. They still have to go through the
> normal channels.
>
> Anyway. We obviously disagree here. So, find someone else thats
> interested in this and try pushing the votes in your favor. Then, if
> it works, just implement it.
> Hope you will be around to maintain it for the next years :]
>
> -Hannes

I think two things are undeniable here:

- It is good for the project to be able to publicise successful projects
   built with PHP.
- It is a nightmare actually choose which projects and maintain such a
   list.

The question is which is greater. Does the benefit outweigh the cost? I
think on balance I'm with Hannes and think not. Particularly in the case
of PHP, which is already fairly well known--it won't take long for
someone to find out about successful php projects if they're interested,
and a lot of people probably came to the PHP site in the first place
because they heard of a successful project. It's not a new kid on the
block trying to prove something. IMHO.

Ben.