Re: [UG-ADMINS] Mailinglist, Archive and such stuff

Hi, Ben, thanks for sharing both links!

Best

Rogerio
PHPSP

On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 12:30 PM Ben Ramsey <[email protected]> wrote:

> Also, for better or worse, this mailing list is also archived and
> searchable on grokbase. I’m not sure when or how this started. I assume
> they just grab and archive all PHP.net mailing lists.
>
> http://grokbase.com/g/php/ug-admins
>
> -Ben
>
>
> > On Feb 1, 2016, at 8:25 AM, Ben Ramsey <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for digging in and doing that research, Andreas.
> >
> > As for the history of this group, if anyone is interested, I wrote a
> short history of the project here:
> https://benramsey.com/projects/php-groups/
> >
> > The reason messages behind the news web interface at
> http://news.php.net/ do not show up in search engine results is because
> of the current robots.txt file. It looks like Bing might show results,
> however.
> >
> >
> https://github.com/php/web-news/blob/338cd0814fb6a37e0eee9044d9f5257ceba0921f/robots.txt
> >
> > Call it “security by obscurity” and “light privacy,” but the primary
> reason for this is to ensure the NNTP server doesn’t receive too much
> traffic and crash. With that in mind, and if privacy is your concern, I
> don’t think it can be relied upon as a permanent solution.
> >
> > PHP.net used to have search functionality on that web interface, but
> again, it caused too much strain on the NNTP server, so it was removed.
> I’ve submitted a pull request that slightly improves performance, but
> probably not by enough to allow the NNTP server to be queried a lot:
> https://github.com/php/web-news/pull/6
> >
> > Finally, it’s worth noting that PHP.net is considering moving the
> mailing lists to a more modern system with better tooling. I’m not sure
> what that is right now or when this will occur. I’m trying to find out more
> information about this.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Ben
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Feb 1, 2016, at 8:06 AM, Andreas Heigl <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi All.
> >>
> >> I did some research to find out more about this mailinglist as it
> >> badgered me what all the hype is about.
> >>
> >> As far as I could find this list has been moved from phpgroups.com some
> >> years ago to php.net to have a better support also from the technical
> >> side. At least that was what I read from Ben Ramseys first post to this
> >> list[1]. So the list itself came to existence without official
> >> "sponsoring" whatsoever. There is also no listing of this mailinglist on
> >> the official Mailinglist-page of php.net[2], and as the list itself is
> >> prefixed "ug" and not "php" on the news-server[3] I find it problematic
> >> to think of the ug-admins-list as an official mailinglist of the
> >> PHP-Project. For me it's a list that is thankfully hosted on php.net
> and
> >> more thankfully with a php.net list-address but that's about it.
> >>
> >> Regarding the privacy of the list, I couldn't find a search that
> >> included the ug-admins-list. But I might not have lookerd hard enough,
> >> so if yomeone can correct me there, I'm fine.
> >>
> >> In my eyes there are only two points where the content of the list is
> >> exposed to the public:
> >>
> >> 1. The list-archive at http://news.php.net/ug.admins and
> >> 2. the nntp-interface at news://news.php.net
> >>
> >> Both rely on the nntp-protocol, as the web-interface is nothing but a
> >> http-interface to the underlying news-server. And as far as I know there
> >> is a possibility to use nntp with authentication so it could be
> >> implemented to allow access to that list (or any other list) only to
> >> known users. But I do not know whether that is wanted on the side of
> >> PHP.net.
> >>
> >> A better searchability of the mailinglists has more than once been
> >> discussed as far as I know but there has never been an improvement. But
> >> I'm not sure whether no one improved it or the improvement hasn't been
> >> added to the website. Currently some of the mailinglists are searchable
> >> via a google-search. But that doesn't work for all of them.
> >>
> >> Why all that?
> >>
> >> For me a certain amount of privacy on the ug-admins-Mailinglist should
> >> be possible. There are discussions like the one Beth started about how
> >> to deal with certain members but there are also discount-codes for
> >> usergroups that should not go out to the public. Currently they only go
> >> out to the public when someone diggs through the news-list on
> >> http://news.php.net. I'd call that "security by obscurity" but for me
> >> that's good enough. As currently the list is not searchable.
> >>
> >> So if we want to enable searching on this mailinglist (and that was what
> >> started the whole discussion as far as I remember) we will have to think
> >> about how to be able to hide this search from "the general public" - If
> >> we want to do that at all
> >>
> >> So for me the privacy-question has been solved and is sufficient at the
> >> current setup but the searchability could need some improvement. And
> >> there is for me the question, can we improve the searchability of all
> >> those PHP-mailinglists by improving it for the UG-Admins-list? And is
> >> that something the PHP.net-project is willing to support?
> >>
> >> My 2 cent I wanted to share with you.
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >>
> >> Andreas
> >>
> >> [1] http://news.php.net/ug.admins/2
> >> [2] http://php.net/mailing-lists.php
> >> [3] http://news.php.net
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