Re: [UG-ADMINS] [Results] - Vote - Move to a new list

That is the problem. None of us have control of the listserv or the mail
server for php.net.

Cheers!
=C=

On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 2:47 PM, Michelle Sanver <[email protected]>
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Since we decided to keep this group, does any of you know who to contact
> to solve my issue of not being able to post to it? I tried before but
> failed and I'd really like not to be shut out :(
>
> Hugs,
> Michelle
>
> On Tue, 26 Apr 2016 at 19:37, Rafael Dohms <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Just to clarify, my "no"vote has nothing to do with tooling or
>> uncertainty.
>> My NO vote is because 90% of what we do in this list is, and should be,
>> public domain for easy searching and referencing.
>> The "private" matters can just as well be solved in a private list used
>> only for said purpose.
>>
>> I'm also not worried about closed protocols and all that, Slack is only
>> not
>> an option, cause we can't keep a public record, or private one.
>> Same goes for IRC which is open and all but can't keep records.
>>
>> Hence mailing lists, also i do not see that much improvements on Google
>> Groups, its not like this is the most active list ever and we have
>> constant
>> issues with spam or moderating.
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 7:29 PM Steven Wade <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > +1 to Cal's idea of Google Groups. That'd be my preference.
>> >
>> > On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 1:22 PM Cal Evans <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> > > I am against a Slack channel based solely on the fact that slack is
>> > closed
>> > > source and closed protocol. At least with email, if one vendor shuts
>> > down,
>> > > we can move to another.
>> > >
>> > > IF we were going to discuss the idea of moving off of php.net, I
>> would
>> > > suggest a google group. The group would be open to anyone to join
>> without
>> > > verification or validation, but we could easily ban spammers, bad
>> actors,
>> > > etc.
>> > >
>> > > Just my $0.02 worth,
>> > > =C=
>> > > (Beth, Joe, Adam, sorry for the repost, the original bounced. dear
>> lord I
>> > > hate this listserv)
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 1:09 PM, Joe Ferguson <[email protected]>
>> > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > While I’m sad this vote didn’t pass, one thing I draw from the vote
>> is
>> > > > that most of us don’t want to move because of the uncertainty of
>> where
>> > > that
>> > > > move would be to? My yes vote was purely based on a few discussions
>> > > around
>> > > > having a private place to discuss sensitive matters among other user
>> > > group
>> > > > leaders. I think there is still value to do something like that. A
>> > > private
>> > > > google group (mailing list) would work well for this.
>> Alternatively, as
>> > > > much as I dislike Slack, this seems like a valid use case for it. A
>> > > private
>> > > > slack channel (on the phpug slack would likely fit best assuming the
>> > > admins
>> > > > there are open to it) would probably be the best fit.
>> > > >
>> > > > thanks,
>> > > > --
>> > > > - Joe Ferguson
>> > > > JoeFerguson.me
>> > > > MemphisPHP.org
>> > > >
>> > > > > On Apr 26, 2016, at 12:04, Adam Culp <[email protected]> wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Thank you Beth for finalizing this. While I was a proponent of the
>> > > group
>> > > > remaining open, which prompted my "no" vote, I liked the idea of
>> moving
>> > > it
>> > > > somewhere more functional. (the vote was combined)
>> > > > >
>> > > > > I would love to see someone (with more time than I have) either
>> > > interact
>> > > > with the php.net team to make this better, or perhaps cast another
>> > > > follow-up campaign to move the list to anther place that is still
>> open
>> > > but
>> > > > has more functional.
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Regards,
>> > > > > Adam Culp
>> > > > > 561-870-6361
>> > > > > Twitter: @adamculp
>> > > > > Tech Blog: http://geekyboy.com
>> > > > > Podcast: http://rungeekradio.com
>> > > > > Running Blog: http://crazyfloridian.com
>> > > > > LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/adamculp
>> > > > >
>> > > > > On 04/26/2016 12:18 PM, Beth Tucker Long wrote:
>> > > > >> Here is the tally of the vote we took in March:
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> 14 - No
>> > > > >> 12 - Yes
>> > > > >> -----------
>> > > > >> Motion fails.
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> Here is the breakdown of the votes I have:
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> -1 (PHP Hampshire - James Titcumb)
>> > > > >> -1 (SoFloPHP - Adam Culp)
>> > > > >> -1 (PHP Minds - Antonios Pavlakis)
>> > > > >> -1 (New York PHP - Hans Zaunere)
>> > > > >> -1 (PHP Argentina - Mariano Iglesias)
>> > > > >> -1 (PHPBenelux - Michelangelo van Dam)
>> > > > >> -1 (DPHPDC - Jun Notz)
>> > > > >> -1 (PHPBelfast - Tim Swann)
>> > > > >> -1 (ZgPHP - Luka Muzinic)
>> > > > >> -1 (BrightonPHP - Rich Sage)
>> > > > >> -1 (PHPSW - Oliver Davies)
>> > > > >> -1 (AmsterdamPHP - Rafael Dohms)
>> > > > >> -1 (PHP Jagruti - Ajinkya Nahar)
>> > > > >> -1 (Milwaukee PHP - Joel Clermont)
>> > > > >> -------------------------------------------------
>> > > > >> 14 No's
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> +1 (PHP Surrey - Michael Cullum)
>> > > > >> +1 (ZürichPHP - Michelle Sanver)
>> > > > >> +1 (UpstatePHP - Steven Wade)
>> > > > >> +1 (Madison PHP - Beth Tucker Long)
>> > > > >> +1 (Minnesota PHP - Jonathan Sundquist)
>> > > > >> +1 (MemphisPHP - Joe Ferguson)
>> > > > >> +1 (PHP Quebec - Eric Hogue)
>> > > > >> +1 (SDPHP - John Congdon)
>> > > > >> +1 (PHP Warwickshire - Ben Plummer)
>> > > > >> +1 (DCPHP - Samantha Quiñones)
>> > > > >> +1 (Baltimore PHP - Chris Stone)
>> > > > >> +1 (PHP Leuven - Bart Reunes)
>> > > > >> -------------------------------------------------
>> > > > >> 12 Yes's
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
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