Re: [dm-crypt] Cryptsetup FAQ is confusing re: key-file length and newlines

Hi John,

On Wed, Jul 15, 2020 at 22:49:09 CEST, John Wiersba wrote:
>    The FAQ as of today (2020/7/15) states
> 
>    Make sure no trailing newline (0x0a) is contained in the input key
>    file, or the passphrase will not work because the whole file is used as
>    input.
> 
>    But then a few lines later it suggests
> 
>    head -c 256 /dev/random > keyfile
> 
>    Obviously if /dev/random is used, it's possible that the keyfile will
>    end with a trailing newline.
>    I think you're trying to distinguish between
>     1. A file which contains a human-readable passphrase which could also
>        be entered interactively, and
>     2. A file which contains random bytes.

You are overthinking this, I think.

If you create the keyfile via a text-editor, make sure you have no 
trailing newling (unless you _want_ that traling newline to be part 
of the passphrase). Many UNIX editors add that trailing newline
when saving a file automatically and then you have a character in 
there you do not see but which is part of the passphrase.
This comment just simplifies debugging the problem.

If you create a new random keyfile, whatever bytes are in
there are fine. A random keyfile will contain (almost certainly ;-)
a lot of characters you cannot enter interactively anyways,
hence this does not have "interactive entry" as use-case.

[...] 

>    Additionally, I see lots of guidance on the length of a keyfile which
>    uses magic numbers, both on the internet and also in the FAQ.  Examples
>    are the value 256 above, and the parameters bs=512 count=8 for dd.  If
>    I understand the FAQ correctly, the actual advice is
> 
>    Plain dm-crypt: Use > 80 bit.  ...  If paranoid, add at least 20 bit.
> 
>    This implies (taking the worst case) that
> 
>    head -c 13 /dev/random
> 
>    should be sufficient (13 * 8 bytes = 104 bits > 81+20 bits), and 256
>    bytes is "overkill".  I do understand that some reasonable amount of
>    overkill is essentially "free" and therefore can be used "just in
>    case".

Yes. When it costs you nothing, use more. When it costs you something,
what you quoted gives you a generally reasonable trade-off.
Regards,
Arno


>    Did I understand these two concepts correctly, and if so, could you
>    clarify the FAQ?
>    Thanks!
>    -- John Wiersba



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