[MAINTAINERS SUMMIT] Time to call it quits for the maintainer summit?
James Bottomley <[email protected]>
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What got me thinking about this is the obvious funding problem: MS is free to attendees, but only had one sponsor in 2024, none in 2025 and is on track to have none this year. Since Plumbers has a reasonably successful sponsor model and the LF brought the problem up in recent conversations, we thought we'd take a look. A colleague remarked that it should be easy to sell seats to a room with Linus, which on the face of it looks to be true, but when examined more deeply isn't straighforward. The problem is conferences like Plumbers, LSF/MM and MS are usually sponsored by engineering not marketing where budget is much harder to come by and the justification for ponying up the cash has to be very clear; effectively they pay for outcomes not access or publicity (although access is required to get successful outcomes). When you look at the actual outcomes of MS 2025 https://lwn.net/Articles/1049982/ there isn't really anything that would move the needle for a potential sponsor. Equally, there's nothing really that couldn't have been part of a wider discussion at Plumbers or LSF/MM, so I'm not sure there's anything that actually required discussion at this event (i.e. nothing to move the needle for kernel developers either). Before I go into potential solutions, it might be beneficial to review the history: The kernel summit began as a stand alone event in 2001 run by USENIX and was the first time many kernel developers had actually met each other. It continued as a 2 day event co-located with Ottawa Linux Symposium (still run by USENIX) until 2008 when it mostly co-located with Plumbers and was run by the LF. In 2015 Linus complained that he didn't find the KS talks that valuable and he'd like to discuss process with a smaller audience, so in 2016 the kernel summit was split and the talks went to the kernel summit track in Plumbers and a 1 day Maintainer Summit was born. It can be argued that the decline in sponsors began with the 2016 split and thus, as the sponsors apparently see it, the decline in outcomes as well. Oh and for those of you who keep saying the LF doesn't fund Linux: without sponsors the LF is eating the cost of the entire event which, based on what Plumbers costs, will be somewhere north of US$100k. As for fixes, one possibility is definitely keeping MS as is and moving the sponsor responsibility to Plumbers, but unless I can strap Linus down and sell companies on pitching to him directly, I fear that would end up creating a US$100k hole in our budget. Perhaps there are actually outcomes we could sell to sponsors but, because of the reduced audience, we simply don't get to hear about them ... so if you think that now would be the time to say what they are. Another solution that seems viable would be folding the MS into one of our existing sponsored events, like Plumbers or LSF/MM. Structurally either would be a fit for the past discussion topics and both could probably accommodate (although I don't think either could expand to a fourth day to do it). A final thing we might do is change the structure of the event itself to have more sponsorable outcomes; perhaps simply making the event more like the kernel summit of old, so moving back the KS track from Plumbers would be enough? Regards, James