Re: [linux-lvm] Can I combine LUKS and LVM to achieve encryption and snapshots?

Dne 27. 09. 23 v 1:10 Jean-Marc Saffroy napsal(a):
> Hi,
> 
> On Tue, Sep 26, 2023 at 10:00 PM Zdenek Kabelac
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Yep typical usage is to encrypt underlying PV - and then create LVs and its
>> snapshots on encrypted device.
> 
> Sure, I'd do that in other circumstances.
> 
> But in my case it would just be a waste: I am replacing several disks
> on a desktop computer with a single 2TB NVME SSD for everything. Only
> /home needs to be encrypted, and it's tiny, like 100-200GB. Going
> through encryption for most application I/Os would use CPU time and
> increase latency with no benefit.
> 
> So I prefer to manage available raw (un-encrypted) space with LVM.
> 
> Now, I also need to do backups of /home, and that's why I want
> snapshots. But that first layer of LVM would only show a snapshot of
> an encrypted volume, and the backup job shouldn't have the passphrase
> to decrypt the volume.
> 
> Which is why I'm trying to find a way of doing snaphots of an "opened"
> LUKS volume: this way, the backup job can do its job without requiring
> a passphrase.

well that's where you will considerably 'complicate' your life :)
As you would need to 'orchestrace' this yourself with 'dmsetup' usage.

running 'dmsetup suspend' on your home device,
that taking a snapshot of your underlying  LV.

Here the usage of 'thin-pool' would possibly help a little bit - as you get a 
control over when a snapshot LV appears in your system.

Once you have the snapshot created you 'resume'  the top-level
decrypted volume.

Then if you want to access your snapshot - you create another 'crypto' device 
- unlock it again with your key - and it should work.

But the level of complexity here is rather  high - this it might be actually
way easier to just 'partition' your device for  'encrypted'  and unecrypted' 
parts and use 2 PVs for 2 VGs....

> But my tests don't tell me if there are other people doing similar
> things on production systems, or if they are happy with the results.
> Unusual setups tend to exhibit unusual bugs, and I am not super fond
> of bugs in my storage systems. :-)

Yep - people prefer simple rock solid solutions....
That's why the above describe scenarios is not really used....
As solving then all individual errors that may appear is far from being simple.


> Just the one /home in my case, so no worse than prompting for the
> passphrase for an entire disk.

Every access to a snapshot needs then a new separate  'unlock'..

>> Speaking about snapshots - you should consider switching to 'thin-pools'  for
>> far better performance...
> 
> I only need snapshots for backups: once a day, create a snapshot,
> mount it, do a file-level incremental backup, unmount it, delete it.
> 
> Would the thin-pools make a difference in this case?

Well there are many ways how to skin a cat...
I.e. check  blk-archive  https://github.com/jthornber/blk-archive

Regards

Zdenek

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