Re: [PATCH] Add short author date to Fixes tag

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From: Alejandro Colomar <[email protected]>
To: Steven Rostedt <[email protected]>, 
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <[email protected]>
Cc: Mark Brown <[email protected]>, Sasha Levin <[email protected]>, 
	Geert Uytterhoeven <[email protected]>, Jacob Keller <[email protected]>, [email protected], 
	[email protected], Jonathan Corbet <[email protected]>, Theodore Ts'o <[email protected]>, 
	Andy Whitcroft <[email protected]>, Joe Perches <[email protected]>, 
	Dwaipayan Ray <[email protected]>, Lukas Bulwahn <[email protected]>, 
	Andrew Morton <[email protected]>, [email protected], [email protected], 
	[email protected], [email protected], Andrew Lunn <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Add short author date to Fixes tag
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Hi Steven, Greg,

[I'll reply to several sub-threads at once.]


[Message-ID: <[email protected]>]
On Mon, Jan 13, 2025 at 09:51:01AM -0500, Steven Rostedt wrote:
> Geert Uytterhoeven <[email protected]> wrote:

> > $ git help fixes
> > 'fixes' is aliased to 'show --format=3D'Fixes: %h ("%s")' -s'
>
> Hmm, I've just been manually adding the Fixes tags ;-) That's because when
> I add a fixes tag, I also do a more in depth analysis to make sure the
> commit being tagged is really the cause of the problem. A lot of my fixes
> tags are due to very subtle bugs, and a lot of times its a combination of
> event that happened.

I also precede the generation of the fixes tag with an in-depth
analysis.  However, that doesn't conflict with using a git alias to
generate it, once I've reached a conclusion.  I use this alias to
generate them, and it's quite handy:
<https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/docs/man-pages/man-pages.git/tree/CONTRIBUT=
ING.d/git#n46>

>
> That said, maybe one day I'll use a script or alias in the future.


[Message-ID: <[email protected]>]
On Sat, Jan 11, 2025 at 6:08=E2=80=AFPM Steven Rostedt <[email protected]=
> wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Jan 2025 16:21:35 -0800
> Jacob Keller <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > I personally find the date helpful as it can help place a commit without
> > needing to take the extra time to do a lookup.
>
> I've never found dates to be meaningful. I'm always more concerned about
> when a commit was added to mainline. Thus the version where the commit was
> added is very important for me.

Indeed.  I agree with this, and it's a quite important difference.
The commit dates are strictly increasing, which means you can use the
date to perform a search of a commit, if there's a collision in the
hash (and possibly in the subject).

I documented this in the man-pages project, where I require the commit
date to appear in Fixes tags.
<https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/docs/man-pages/man-pages.git/tree/CONTRIBUT=
ING.d/patches/trailer#n16>

> This is why I keep a bare clone of Linus's
> tree and commonly do:
>
>  $ git describe --contains fd3040b9394c
> v5.19-rc1~159^2~154^2
>  $ git describe --contains a76053707dbf
> v5.15-rc1~157^2~376^2~4
>
> I can easily see that a76053707dbf was added in 5.15 and fd3040b9394c was
> added in 5.19. The amount of work needed to add dates to Fixes tags would
> greatly exceed the amount of added work someone would need to do to do the
> above operations if they wanted to know the order of commits.


[Message-ID: <2025011032-gargle-showing-7500@gregkh>]
Greg wrote (Fri, 10 Jan 2025 13:32:22 +0100):
> Please no, you will break all of our tooling and scripts that parse
> these types of fields.  The git commit id and commit header is all we
> need to properly determine this type of information, no need to add a
> date in here at all.
>=20
[...]
>=20
> So I don't think you need to add a date here.  Dates also really do not
> mean much with commits, what matters is what release a commit is in, not
> when it was originally made.  We have commits that take years to show up
> in a release, so if you only look at a date, you will be mistaken many
> times as it's not showing what came before what many times (i.e. we
> apply commits out-of-date-order all the time.)

As I said above, I agree that the commit date is the right choice.
Author dates can be out-of-date-order by years.  Commit dates are
necessarily in order, though.


[Message-ID: <[email protected]>]
Steven wrote (Fri, 10 Jan 2025 08:03:31 -0500):
> How can it lead to misjudgment? If you have two or more hashes matching, =
do
> you really think they'll have the same subjects?

The possibility isn't zero.  Statistically, it's quite low.  However,
it's non-zero.

$ git log --format=3Dtformat:'%s' | sort | uniq -c | sort | tail
    248 Merge branch 'perf-urgent-for-linus' of git://git.kernel.org/pub/sc=
m/linux/kernel/git/tip/tip
    263 Merge git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/davem/net-2.6
    275 Merge branch 'x86-urgent-for-linus' of git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm=
/linux/kernel/git/tip/tip
    293 Merge tag 'arm64-fixes' of git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kerne=
l/git/arm64/linux
    314 Merge branch 'akpm' (patches from Andrew)
    315 Merge git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/netdev/net
    318 Merge tag 'scsi-fixes' of git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel=
/git/jejb/scsi
    324 Merge branch 'for-linus' of git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kern=
el/git/dtor/input
    369 Merge tag 'for-linus' of git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/virt/kvm/kvm
    670 Merge git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/davem/net
$ git log --format=3Dtformat:'%s' | grep -v ^Merge | sort | uniq -c | sort =
| tail
grep: (standard input): binary file matches
     22 drm/amd/display: Clean up some inconsistent indenting
     25 Auto-update from upstream
     26 [ARM] Update mach-types
     26 pmdomain: Merge branch fixes into next
     30 s390: update defconfigs
     32 tools arch x86: Sync the msr-index.h copy with the kernel sources
     38 [SPARC64]: Update defconfig.
     52 mmc: Merge branch fixes into next
     59 drm/i915: Convert wait_for(I915_READ(reg)) to intel_wait_for_regist=
er()
     62 batman-adv: Start new development cycle

Subjects repeat every now and then, and the entropy in some subjects is
actually quite low.

If you include the commit date in a Fixes tag, then you preclude the
entire possibility of a commit reference clash, because you won't have
two patches committed in the same date with the same subject and same
hash (unless you *really* try)


[Message-ID: <2025011115-energize-edge-c9c7@gregkh>]
Greg wrote (Sat, 11 Jan 2025 06:48:53 +0100):
> And if it isn't long enough, tools like:
>	https://lore.kernel.org/r/[email protected]
> can help figure it out as well.

That uses hash+subject.  This may be not enough in some cases (see how
much subjects repeat, in the logs above).  And importantly, a fixes tag
may become ambiguous *after* it has been written, so you can't predict
much.

By having a commit date in the Fixes tag, you could even simplify the
script to just do a binary search in case of ambiguity.  Let's say I
want to find the following commit (arbitrarily taken from the first
Fixes tag I've found in my copy of linux.git):

	a2e459555c5f (2023-08-09; "shmem: stable directory offsets")

We could find it, with a trivial command line.  We only even need two
characters of the hash:

	$ git log --oneline --after=3D'2023-08-08' --before=3D'2023-08-10' \
	| grep ^a2;
	a2e459555c5f shmem: stable directory offsets

No need for a huge script to disambiguate.  This is even typo-resistant,
as one could eventually find something that is similar enough, if one
had such a field with a typo (in any of the three fields).  You'd be
able to search by the other two fields, and two fields should be
_usually_ enough for disambiguating, and the third one could corroborate
the typo.

So, what would you think of having the commit date in commit references
such as Fixes tags?


Have a lovely night!
Alex

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