Re: [PATCH v1 2/4] virtio-msg: Add virtio-msg, a message based virtio transport layer

Hi Demi,

> On 24 Feb 2026, at 18:14, Demi Marie Obenour <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> On 1/26/26 11:32, Bill Mills wrote:
>> Add a new transport layer that is based on messages.
>>
>> This transport layer still uses virtqueues as the other transport layers do
>> but implements transport layer operations by sending and receiving messages
>> instead of the "MMR" reads and writes used in virtio-mmio and virtio-pci.
>>
>> This transport is useful when the device and driver are both implemented in
>> software but the trap and emulate operations of virtio-mmio and virtio-pci
>> can not be used.
>>
>> This transport is intended to be used in many situations, including:
>> * between a host processor and its co-processors
>> * between two different systems (not SMP) connected via PCIe
>> * between normal and secure worlds
>> * host to vm
>> * vm to vm
>
> (snip)
>
>> +As described in Sections
>> +\ref{sec:Virtio Transport Options / Virtio Over Messages / Device Operation / Driver Notifications}
>> +and
>> +\ref{sec:Virtio Transport Options / Virtio Over Messages / Device Operation / Device Notifications},
>> +runtime notifications (\msgref{EVENT_AVAIL}, \msgref{EVENT_USED}, and
>> +\msgref{EVENT_CONFIG}) may be delivered in-band or via equivalent out-of-band
>> +mechanisms.
>
> Sending these notifications out of band should almost always be more
> efficient.  Under Xen, one should use per-virtqueue, per-direction
> event channels.  KVM has irqfd and ioeventfd, and the loopback
> transport can use per-virtqueue eventfds or io_uring queues.  I would
> be quite surprised if FF-A and PCI did not have similar mechanisms
> that could be used.
>
> I recommend removing these from the spec and expecting buses to
> provide their own notification mechanism.

Busses can have more efficient way and can map that other real interrupts or xen events
but the bus has to create a fake message back to the transport to keep the interface
coherent.

In ffa case we do use notifications but we still use messages as those can be more
efficient in some cases (indirect messages) and we have a limited number of notifications.
In ffa we have a also a transfer system using a FIFO which can hold several events at a time
preventing several ping/pong.

We do let the door open so that a bus can choose how to do this but we keep the message
(even fake) between the bus and the transport to have a transport independent and handling
the OS specific way of signaling the drivers.

Does that answer your question ?

Cheers
Bertrand

> --
> Sincerely,
> Demi Marie Obenour (she/her/hers)<OpenPGP_0xB288B55FFF9C22C1.asc>


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