Re: [virtio-dev] Re: [PATCH 0/5] virtio: introduce SUSPEND bit and vq state

On 9/26/2023 6:48 PM, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 26, 2023 at 05:25:42PM +0800, Zhu, Lingshan wrote:
>> We don't want to repeat the discussions, it looks like endless circle with
>> no direction.
> OK let me try to direct this discussion.
> You guys were speaking past each other, no dialog is happening.
> And as long as it goes on no progress will be made and you
> will keep going in circles.
>
> Parav here made an effort and attempted to summarize
> use-cases addressed by your proposal but not his.
> He couldn't resist adding "a yes but" in there oh well.
> But now I hope you know he knows about your use-cases?
>
> So please do the same. Do you see any advantages to Parav's
> proposal as compared to yours? Try to list them and
> if possible try not to accompany the list with "yes but"
> (put it in a separate mail if you must ;) ).
> If you won't be able to see any, let me know and I'll try to help.
>
> Once each of you and Parav have finally heard the other and
> the other also knows he's been heard, that's when we can
> try to make progress by looking for something that addresses
> all use-cases as opposed to endlessly repeating same arguments.
Sure Michael, I will not say "yes but" here.

 From Parav's proposal, he intends to migrate a member device by its 
owner device through the admin vq,
thus necessary admin vq commands are introduced in his series.


I see his proposal can:
1) meet some customers requirements without nested and bare-metal
2) align with Nvidia production
3) easier to emulate by onboard SOC

The general purpose of his proposal and mine are aligned: migrate virtio 
devices.

Jason has ever proposed to collaborate, please allow me quote his proposal:

"
Let me repeat once again here for the possible steps to collaboration:

1) define virtqueue state, inflight descriptors in the section of
basic facility but not under the admin commands
2) define the dirty page tracking, device context/states in the
section of basic facility but not under the admin commands
3) define transport specific interfaces or admin commands to access them
"

I totally agree with his proposal.

Does this work for you Michael?

Thanks
Zhu Lingshan

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