Re: [PATCH v5 08/11] doc: devicetree: Updates for devicetree-rebasing subtree

On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 at 16:17, Paul Barker <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> On 14/02/2024 13:32, Sumit Garg wrote:
> > On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 at 03:01, Paul Barker <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> On 02/02/2024 13:05, Sumit Garg wrote:
> >>> +Dependencies
> >>> +~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >>> +
> >>> +The DT schema project must be installed in order to validate the DT schema
> >>> +binding documents and validate DTS files using the DT schema. The DT schema
> >>> +project can be installed with pip::
> >>> +
> >>> +    pip3 install dtschema
> >>
> >> Unfortunately this won't work on recent distro versions, e.g. on Debian
> >> 12 I get:
> >>
> >>     error: externally-managed-environment
> >>
> >>     × This environment is externally managed
> >>     ╰─> To install Python packages system-wide, try apt install
> >>         python3-xyz, where xyz is the package you are trying to
> >>         install.
> >>
> >>         If you wish to install a non-Debian-packaged Python package,
> >>         create a virtual environment using python3 -m venv path/to/venv.
> >>         Then use path/to/venv/bin/python and path/to/venv/bin/pip. Make
> >>         sure you have python3-full installed.
> >>
> >>         If you wish to install a non-Debian packaged Python application,
> >>         it may be easiest to use pipx install xyz, which will manage a
> >>         virtual environment for you. Make sure you have pipx installed.
> >>
> >>         See /usr/share/doc/python3.11/README.venv for more information.
> >>
> >>     note: If you believe this is a mistake, please contact your Python
> >>     installation or OS distribution provider. You can override this, at the
> >>     risk of breaking your Python installation or OS, by passing
> >>     --break-system-packages.
> >>     hint: See PEP 668 for the detailed specification.
> >>
> >> I don't have a good solution to recommend here - there's no consensus on
> >> how to install Python tools for use in development. You could use
> >> `pipx`, you could create a virtualenv, and I'm sure there are other
> >> options as well. Perhaps we just need to leave it up to the reader to
> >> find out how to install dtschema on their system.
> >
> > I suppose you haven't installed python3-pip package [1] on your Debian
> > 12. BTW, `pip3` is being used as the common way to install dtschema
> > [2]. Also, every user may not be aware about python virtual
> > environments. So it's better to provide the commonly used pip3 option
> > for installation.
>
> The python3-pip package is installed, it's the pip3 program that is
> printing the error message I saw. This is the new behaviour in Debian
> 12, also seen in rolling distributions like Arch Linux and OpenSuSE
> Tumbleweed since the middle of last year. There is a good guide to this
> from Python=>Speed [1] and more detail in the Python packaging spec [2].
> Sadly it's something we now have to live with in recent Linux distro
> releases, and I expect all distros will enable this in upcoming
> releases.

Okay I see, thanks for bringing it up. I hope Rob will take note of
this and update dtschema installation instructions [1] accordingly.

As part of v6, I will rather guide users towards the dtschema github
page in order to get installation instructions.

[1] https://github.com/devicetree-org/dt-schema/tree/main?tab=readme-ov-file#installing

-Sumit

>
> [1]: https://pythonspeed.com/articles/externally-managed-environment-pep-668/
> [2]: https://packaging.python.org/en/latest/specifications/externally-managed-environments/#externally-managed-environments
>
> Thanks,
>
> --
> Paul Barker