Re: [PATCH v2 05/10] dt-bindings: clock: renesas,r8a78000-cpg: Add firmware property

Hi Krzysztof,

On Wed, 12 Aug 2026 at 11:51, Krzysztof Kozlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 12/08/2026 11:47, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote:
> >>>>>>> +  firmware:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> RPi is doing similar, but I have doubts. It looks way too close to
> >>>>>> generic "syscon" which is disallowed.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I think this should be vendor+purpose specific, e.g.:
> >>>>>> "renesas,scmi-transport" or "renesas,scmi-firmware"
> >>>>
> >>>> If you can tell me the resource that a 'firmware' provider provides then
> >>>> it is fine, but you can't.
> >>>
> >>> It provides a firmware API, which is not available until the firmware
> >>> provider is initialized.
> >>
> >> I don't know what "a firmware API" is. What does it provide? I know what
> >
> > It can provide lots of things (everything we are no longer allowed to
> > touch directly from Linux ;-)
> >
> >> a clock, GPIO, reset, interrupt, etc. provider is.
> >
> > A clock is an object you can access through the clock API.
> > (s/clock/.../ for the other cases).
> > Firmware is a service (virtual object) you can access through a
> > firmware API.
> >
> > In all cases, the consumer of the object or service needs to know
> > which object or service to use (there can be multiple).
> >
> > In all cases you cannot access the object or service until it is
> > available (initialized and registered), for which we have -EPROBE_DEFER,
> > and/or "[PATCH v2 02/10] of: property: fw_devlink: Add support for
> > firmware".
> >
> > Thanks for your understanding ;-)
>
> I think that's the difference here. Clock is not an object, but a signal
> on a wire or within IC coming from one device (provider) to another
> (consumer). Firmware is not a signal, not a wire, not anything which can
> be provided from one to another.

Oh yes, it is a service provided by the secure world or a different
CPU core to the application core running Linux.

Gr{oetje,eeting}s,

                        Geert

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