Re: [PATCH] ima: debugging late_initcall_sync measurements

On Wed, 2026-05-06 at 14:57 +0100, Yeoreum Yun wrote:
> > > > On both Z and PowerVM, there are ~30 measurements between boot_aggregate and
> > > > boot_aggregate_late.  For example, on PowerVM:
> > > > 
> > > > # grep -n boot_aggregate
> > > > /sys/kernel/security/integrity/ima/ascii_runtime_measurements
> > > > 
> > > > 1:10 f60a05d7354fb34aabc02965216abd3428ea52bb ima-sig
> > > > sha256:9887dd089ee19a6517bca10580b02c1bb9aa6cd86c157b6ead8a1c0403f348d5
> > > > boot_aggregate 
> > > > 31:10 e2592b0d61da6300d3db447b143897a9792231ea ima-sig
> > > > sha256:9887dd089ee19a6517bca10580b02c1bb9aa6cd86c157b6ead8a1c0403f348d5
> > > > boot_aggregate_late
> > > > 
> > > > It would be interesting to the results from a Raspberry Pi 5 as well,
> > > > with/without a TPM.
> > > 
> > > Honestly, I find this result hard to accept.
> > > 
> > > This effectively means that there is code invoking IMA measurement during late_initcall().
> > > It also implies that if, in the future, a late_initcall is added that performs
> > > an IMA measurement before IMA initialization has occurred accoding to order by linker,
> > > that measurement could be missed.
> > 
> > Exactly.  The results are simply from booting with the builtin "tcb" and
> > "critical_data" policies.
> > 
> > $ sudo grubby --args="ima_policy=\"tcb|critical_data\"" --update-kernel
> > /boot/vmlinuz-${SUFFIX}
> 
> Thanks. but I still wonder what meaasurements there are between
> boot_aggregate and boot_aggregate_late.
> Might be there would be key measurements if it takes more than
> 5 mins before generating boot_aggregate_late but this seems rare.
> 
> If you don't mind, would you share the contents of the log between
> boot_aggregate and boot_aggregate_late?
> since I only get a kernel_version in my environment.

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sha256:9887dd089ee19a6517bca10580b02c1bb9aa6cd86c157b6ead8a1c0403f348d5
boot_aggregate 
     2	10 49ab61dd97ea2f759edcb6c6a3387ac67f0aa576 ima-buf
sha256:0c907aab3261194f16b0c2a422a82f145bc9b9ecb8fdb633fa43e3e5379f0af2
kernel_version 372e312e302d7263312b
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sha256:412bae0d0e85a99971d6eda198dd2fed3c2959715e8a17a4caddc7bc605bdeeb
/usr/bin/kmod 
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sha256:0050fcc672e03cfdc3a50c771ca9f5219478e5538980a26fd4484620712d8163
/usr/lib64/ld64.so.2 
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sha256:a0e83c084d8c227f1150a8cd94eece61f62bc1da30f98d1cf57ca7db241a9c45
/etc/ld.so.cache 
     6	10 e047868f01908eb95aa180693291decab82bb6be ima-sig
sha256:42ebf9cc684419de4d8a1d624102716d88fbcf957f47e50a9a08e38b338023ac
/usr/lib64/libzstd.so.1.5.5 
     7	10 da069bc6a44d454510a76c69d3a54c3b238ae27e ima-sig
sha256:9b7c788e75c16c8827062016cf15826e43661c4b5b56813ea07ff2635bea2710
/usr/lib64/liblzma.so.5.6.2 
     8	10 7ade414e736e7b449cda5ec5e0277b99548e89c6 ima-sig
sha256:d899452e8e6369e436ba1a565833d6dcf0d09c35e40ffc0979cf4de2bdb8f421
/usr/lib64/libz.so.1.3.1.zlib-ng 
     9	10 9a9da8326f36237a47d6ed21bdffd0e1ff855e2a ima-sig
sha256:a848f396db7ad135f851b5e9aeb32f4a3ef1439c7913b9b95ab1cda69251f6ad
/usr/lib64/libcrypto.so.3.5.1 
    10	10 3201d27cd4028f02fc9088ec33e2d0ceb72d2c5b ima-sig
sha256:e52dcd1850555c08d60fefe56694c1179b4eaa5796db0907606552ece8e1bab1
/usr/lib64/libgcc_s-14-20250617.so.1 
    11	10 3b4c6f13e52ca060b290709f737b1ff66564226f ima-sig
sha256:f2a900a5b980b289dc028dd3caab16b1b0ad037f2e875546bb3197d23ff241f0
/usr/lib64/glibc-hwcaps/power10/libc.so.6 
    12	10 b23b616cbd3c9dc4c5743d121c1c5a702b461a9c ima-sig
sha256:5a682022beeea9ee7f36a70f0465942bf32e9675d3f45355088e148787e02175
/usr/lib/modprobe.d/dist-alsa.conf 
    13	10 aec07fad18697f295d7e06796fc8dfd3b472f9c3 ima-sig
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/usr/lib/modprobe.d/dist-blacklist.conf 
    14	10 c402c56b66e65914148efd6e3cf0b1d616daabe6 ima-sig
sha256:120a02e9b88ba74949224eca7385825e39880f5687f739ade07d94ee22ffe325
/etc/modprobe.d/firewalld-sysctls.conf 
    15	10 e358ca12bd58e1ce4845e299e1aea8b81edf86f9 ima-sig
sha256:fa27abcd357a16ee1254ba38d1225b7f0724036c07ce3d0e83b29eb72d97c419
/etc/modprobe.d/l2tp_eth-blacklist.conf 
    16	10 4b036d41435d7df3a72b38880f5fe231904b7b66 ima-sig
sha256:ecf5f948bfbfb726879a910b3174d139c8af6b1745c88dcc1e4a1cf532c02299
/etc/modprobe.d/l2tp_ip-blacklist.conf 
    17	10 9c53a7a48c1b5218417c4f25c4a34c09a9f39830 ima-sig
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/etc/modprobe.d/l2tp_ip6-blacklist.conf 
    18	10 6c41d7b7d251c400b7e0ba76f7b386a746e8f4ec ima-sig
sha256:5cbc958f893a599ef19437014696dd7b112cf9af6a4348830177f8a8f78aa1b3
/etc/modprobe.d/l2tp_netlink-blacklist.conf 
    19	10 f37ef48faef5bc51e29d47531726af0bd0654655 ima-sig
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/etc/modprobe.d/l2tp_ppp-blacklist.conf 
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/usr/lib/modules/7.1.0-rc1+/modules.softdep 
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/etc/modprobe.d/sctp-blacklist.conf 
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/etc/modprobe.d/sctp_diag-blacklist.conf 
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/usr/lib/modprobe.d/systemd.conf 
    24	10 5c46e012bc7fffc3256b166282a7eaa4bea5fa33 ima-sig
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/etc/modprobe.d/tipc_diag-blacklist.conf 
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/etc/modprobe.d/tuned.conf 
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/usr/lib/modules/7.1.0-rc1+/modules.builtin.alias.bin 
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/usr/lib/modules/7.1.0-rc1+/modules.builtin.bin 
    31	10 e2592b0d61da6300d3db447b143897a9792231ea ima-sig
sha256:9887dd089ee19a6517bca10580b02c1bb9aa6cd86c157b6ead8a1c0403f348d5
boot_aggregate_late 
    32	10 81830cd3d799e006698258dc1b11fe29a56eeef5 ima-sig
sha256:d1651dc50bb5b92c1badcab9aa4dbbca40cb704cdc707d1c536b41d7b1aa465e
/usr/lib/systemd/systemd 

> 
> And I think we can collect missing measurements before ima_init_core()
> into another separate list than ima_measurements in ima_add_template_entry() and
> we can extend them after boot_aggreagate log generation at ima_init_core()
> then ima initialisation could be moved to late_initcall_sync like
> (just for a test and share concept):

That breaks the "measure before use" principle.

Mimi