Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [TECH TOPIC] Documentation

On Fri, Jun 12, 2020 at 11:18:52AM +0300, Laurent Pinchart wrote:
> H Shuah,
> 
> On Thu, Jun 11, 2020 at 01:44:45PM -0600, Shuah Khan wrote:
> > On 6/11/20 12:28 PM, Joe Perches wrote:
> > > On Thu, 2020-06-11 at 12:03 -0600, Shuah Khan wrote:
> > >> People that know the sub-systems well might not
> > >> have time to document and more importantly keeping the documents
> > >> updated.
> > > 
> > > So you somehow expect people that do _not_ know the
> > > sub-system well to produce good and useful documentation?
> > 
> > I didn't suggest anything like that. I merely mentioned that
> > lack of bandwidth is a reason for outdated documentation.
> 
> I think it may be more of a priority issue than a bandwidth issue.

Second that. Writing code usually seems more rewarding :)

> Most subsystems have traditionally not put lots of effort in documenting
> designs and APIs, and very few of them, even today, enforce
> documentation rules. I don't disagree that some area of the kernel have
> little available bandwidth, we have some very small subsystems, or niche
> areas where only a handful of people would be able to understand what's
> going on (and if you ask me, that's a reason to have more documentation,
> not less :-)). We also have large subsystems where policies have been
> put in place over time to get developers to write documentation. I'm
> thinking about V4L2 or DRM for instance, where the former has extensive
> documentation of the userspace API, and the latter extensive
> documentation of the in-kernel API. I believe other subsystems could
> follow if maintainers considered lack of documentation to be a blocker
> on patch submission.
>
> This would however leave some developers in an uncomfortable situation.
> While writing documentation is no fun for most of us, it gets much worse
> for developers who are less fluent in English. Learning how to write
> good documentation is hard enough without having to also learn a new
> language. I think this is a problem that needs to be addressed on its
> own.

I think we should make a distinction between adding new documentation
and updating the existing one. I agree that writing documentation is not
easy, especially when you need to write it from scratch. But making
small amends to the existing documentation along with the code changes
so that docs and code would still much is not that difficult. 
For such cases a request to have documentation update as a part of the
changes wouldn't be too much to ask.

> Another issue that I also believe is important is where to put the bar
> when it comes to documentation quality. I've reviewed many documentation
> patches where I wasn't completely happy with the proposal (as I'm prone
> to nit-picking during review I'll take blames here). Something that is
> clear to the author of the code won't be to someone who has less
> knowledge in that area, and more often that not patch authors don't
> write documentation from the point of view of the reader. This is
> something that can be learnt though, and I believe the kernel would
> benefit from involving more technical writers who could help reviewing
> documentation submissions and point out inconsistencies. There's a
> matter of budget there though, it may be difficult to attract technical
> writers who would help just for the fun of it.
> 
> > As for solutions, I am hoping one or two viable options will
> > bubble up as we talk about the issue on this thread and at
> > the kernel summit.
> 
> -- 
> Regards,
> 
> Laurent Pinchart

-- 
Sincerely yours,
Mike.
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