Re: Fwd: Re: New Website for Perl Beginners: perlmeme.org

Hi all,

The goal may be duplicate but the means is not.
People learn in different ways, there's no one-size-fits-all, the more 
paths to the destination the better.

I remember doing the java trails tutorial and thought it was 
particularly good, though others may prefer a book etc.

Well done say I, let the freedom flow.

Tom Cowap


Shlomi Fish wrote:

>Forwarding the message from Simon...
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>	Shlomi Fish
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>Subject: Re: New Website for Perl Beginners: perlmeme.org
>Date: Tuesday 04 October 2005 10:33
>From: Simon Taylor <[email protected]>
>To: [email protected]
>
>Hello,
>
>Thanks to those who provided feedback to Shlomi's announcement a few days
>back.
>
>I've summarized the various criticisms that people made, along with our
>response.
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>Randal L. Schwartz
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>> Unless it's hidden, I'm not finding any obvious link there to the
>> defacto standard location for Perl beginners, <http://learn.perl.org>.
>> I think this represents broken integrity on your part, since you
>> appear to be trying to replace learn.perl.org, not supplement it, so
>> you're attempting to fracture the community, not enhance it.
>>
>> If you add a prominent link to learn.perl.org, I will withdraw my
>> complaint.
>>    
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>We do reference Simon Cozens Beginning Perl book at learn.perl.org
>but you're correct that the learn.perl.org site is not made prominent
>on perlmeme.org. We can certainly do this.
>
>
>Gavin Henry
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>> I think their intentions are great, but what's wrong with:
>>
>>    * http://learn.perl.org
>>    * http://faq.perl.org
>>    * Tutorials
>>
>>  They talk about their motivations, but it seems like a big duplicate
>>  of effort? I think they need to have a links page mentioning things like
>>  above.
>>    
>>
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>We link to some good perldoc pages at:
>    http://perlmeme.org/faqs/references/
>and I think that this is probably the place for us to link to the
>learn.perl.org urls.
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>JupiterHost.Net
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>>  And its not very well done CGI wise (IE super hackable...
>>  didn't you check and untaint the input?)
>>
>>  http://perlmeme.org/misc/feedback.html?url=/joema...........
>>
>>  Thats pretty limmited in scope but not a good idea for a site that is
>>  supposed to be giving out good ideas :)
>>    
>>
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>Well, you win.
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>Ovid
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>> In http://perlmeme.org/start_here/our_motivations.html there's a lot of
>> talk about dealing with "anti-Perl memes" and, essentially, how to
>> market Perl.  Given that, I can only wonder why the site creators
>> didn't bother to contact The Perl Foundation
>> (http://www.perlfoundation.org/) as the latter is always interested in
>> new volunteers with energy and creative ability who are willing to help
>> out on that very topic.
>>    
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>I've had pleasant dealings with The Perl Foundation at the Open
>Source Developers' Conference, but be honest, it never occured to me to
>talk to them about perlmeme.org
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>> And is there any mention of the Perl community?  I can't see it there.
>> The site purports to be a resource for "selling" Perl and overcoming
>> the negative reaction many folks have to the language, but the site is
>> little more than a cookbook.  How can one market Perl and leave out one
>> of its strongest selling points?
>>    
>>
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>We'd love to sell the Perl community. If anyone here wants to send me some
>text highlighting the resources that people who are new to Perl should
>know about, we'll ensure it's featured prominently.
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>>Oh, and this is bad, just bad:
>> http://www.perlmeme.org/howtos/subroutines/perl_files.html
>>
>> And can you find the runtime errors on this page's code?
>> http://www.perlmeme.org/howtos/using_perl/display_text_message.html
>>
>> And plenty of little bugs and typos here:
>> http://www.perlmeme.org/tutorials/cgi_script.html
>>
>> There's more and nitpicking seems petty but for a site which has the
>> stated goal of addressing the "many irrational anti-Perl memes", it
>> really needs to get things right.
>>    
>>
>
>Ouch. You've highlighted some poor quality control there. We've now
>rectified these pages. Thanks for pointing this out.
>
>
>Henning Møller-Nielsen
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>> I for one would like any example showing beginners to use
>> 'require FUNCTIONLIB'  instead of 'use MODULE' to be
>> removed or edited to be in a style appropriate
>> for Perl 5.
>>    
>>
>
>Appreciate your point. The single 'require' example that we have on the site
>is fine as it stands, but it does beg the question of why we didn't mention
>"use" in the same place and the important ways it differs... We'll address
>this.
>
>Regards,
>
>Simon Taylor
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