Re: The Case for a New Site for Perl Beginners

On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 17:22:33 +0200, brian d foy <[email protected]>  
wrote:

> In article
> <[email protected]>, Gabor
> Szabo <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Can someone explain me why is the source code of learn.perl.org (and
>> the other *.perl.org site) not publicly accessible?
>
> Sure it's acessible. That's how you get to see it. When you view the
> site. you're downloading the source.

Is this supposed to be funny? You know what they ment.

Looks like you are realy pissed on Shlomi Fish ... While without looking  
at the archives I can't get whole picture - with what I've seen so far  
(ussual way life works - isn't it) you seem to be the bad guy.

I'll leave any other comment untill after I checked the archives - and  
will try to be constructive now.


The whole point is that site (learn.perl.org) get's lot of visitors (I  
hope so) since it's linked from many places - but all that is wasted since  
site content isn't maintained. At least it looks like that to me (and  
others it seems).

Since I was most likely beginner more recently than you folks (started  
learning Perl some 3 - 4 years ago) I think my counts more than yours. The  
learn.perl.org website is not a very good site for a beginner. While it  
gives some very good references, beginners need more hand-holding sort to  
say.

I still haven't found a single site that was realy good for beginners.  
Best thing I found was Perl forum on DevShed - but you can't count that.

It is folish to expect from a beginner to read perldoc or similar. I tried  
that - and it didn't had much sence to me untill I learned at least some  
Perl basics. Only after that it started making sence.

Exception to that is the tutorials section that seems to be underexposed  
as I haven't discovered it at first.


My view of a site for Perl is one that:

- would look good in means of Web 2.0 style - minimal but eyecatching  
design (python.org),
- advocate Perl (again python.org - right hand column you see "NASA uses  
python" ...)
- have content same/similar as perldoc tutorials - but only much more of  
it, that would cover everything from introduction to programming (using  
Perl of course) to bag-of-tricks from professionals.
- would accept content submisions from people not directly involved with  
the site - with of course some sort of administration before it's published

I see no reason why such a site couldn't integrate with Perl's  
documentation so that effort put in it could be recycled.


Best regards,
-- 
Aleksandar Petrović