Re: First posts of some famous golfers

On Tue, Aug 27, 2002 at 11:31:05PM -0400, Keith C. Ivey wrote:
> [email protected] wrote: 
> 
> > Very interesting, Keith. Perhaps Stephen, who's debutante 
> > post revealed a sound understanding of Teutonic languages, 
> > might like to translate it into English for the golf
> > historians. ;) 
> 
> No, no, we have no need for human translators in this modern  
> age.  We have Babelfish: 
[...]

Ugh. That hurts %)

The background is, that someone up that thread suggested encoding PINs
(secret number for ATM cards and the like) with a secret word and
writing the result on the card itself.

Secret word: Betonmischer  (concrete mixer)

PIN: 2478. Take 2nd, 4th, 7th and 8th letter: "eois".


| In article <[email protected]>, Felix Holderied wrote:
| > Na Na Na, ich habe den Geldbeutel von Jens geklaut und
| > seine 5 Karten gefunden. Es standen folgende Buchstaben drauf:

Well, well, i have stolen Jens's purse, and found 5 cards. They had the
following letters on them:

| > taae, thgg, htaa, hars, grnu
| >
| > Wie heisst der "Betonmischer" wirklich,  und wie lauten
| > seine 5 PINs?

What is his "Betonmischer" (secret word), and what are his PINs.

| hmm, also der Betonmischer muesste 10+ buchstaben haben, um 0-9 codieren zu
| koennen, ausserdem darf kein buchstabe in den ersten 10 doppelt vorkommen...
| 9 der buchstaben sind "aeghnrstu".

Hmm, the "Betonmischer" has to have 10+ letters so it can code 0-9.
Furthermore no letter of the first 10 may appear twice...
9 of the letters are "aeghnrstu".

| matrix:~>zcat Crack_4.1+/DictSrc/german.Z |
| tr '[A-Z]' '[a-z]'|
| perl -ne '
| chop;
| if(split(/ */)>9){
|   $ok=0;
|   line: for($a=0;$a<10;$a++){
|     for($b=$a+1;$b<10;$b++){
|       if(@_[$a] eq @_[$b]){
|         $ok=0;last line; # buchstabe doppelt
|       }
|     } if(@_[$a] =~ /[aeghnrstu]/){$ok++};
|   } if ($ok>8){print "$_:$ok.\n";} #Das wort hat die gesuchten 9 buchstaben
| }
| '
| erhaltungsmassnahme:9.
| haftungsrecht:9.
| naturgeschichte:9.
| naturgeschmack:9.
| strahlungen:9.
| waehrungstransaktionsberichte:9.
| waehrungstrends:9.
| hinausgetragen:9.

The ":9." part was only for debugging %)

My golf'ish solution from yesterday is:

perl -e '$x=pop;map{split//;$#_=$#_>9?9:0;%q=map{lc$_,1}@_;print if(@q=keys%q)>9&&$x=~/^[@q]+$/}<>' aeghnrstu

| Davon sind natuerlich nur die woerter interessant die sich in den ersten
| 10 buchstaben unterscheiden (naturgeschichte und naturgeschmack sind
| gleichbedeutend :) - das macht 6 woerter die in frage kommen.

The only interesting words are the ones which differ in the first 10
characters (naturgeschichte and naturgeschmack are tantamount) - thats 6
relevant words

| Hmm, bei 3 versuchen pro karte (geheimzahl am automaten) sollte es
| kein problem darstellen, da kann man ja mit 5 karten 10 "woerter"
| durchprobieren, bevor man die erste verliert...

Hmm, with 3 tries per card (PIN at the ATM) - there should be no
problem, because you can try 10 "words" with 5 cards before you loose
the first card...

| unter diesem gesichtspunkt ist diese methode also nicht sicher genug :)

With this point of view, this method is not secure enough :)

| --
| Fuer die Raupe ist es das Ende der Welt,
| Fuer den Rest der Welt ist es ein Schmetterling

Babelfish made this:

> for the crawler-type vehicle it is the end of the world, 
> for the remainder of the world is it a butterfly 

This might make more sense with a s/crawler-type vehicle/caterpillar/
;-)

CU,
    Sec
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