Re: [Perl Jobs] inexperienced developer wanted (onsite), United States, IL, Justice

On Mon, 10 Jan 2005, Dave Rolsky wrote:

> On Mon, 10 Jan 2005, Steve Leibel wrote:
>
>>> PlatinumTel is looking for an inexperienced perl developer. Yes, you heard
>>> me. An *inexperienced* perl developer.
>> 
>> <snip>
>> 
>>> Note -- I am not in HR, but will be hiring you. Please be professional, 
>>> but
>>> friendly. Bedazzle me with your technical abilities.
>> 
>> Is this a new benchmark in weirdness? You must be inexperienced, yet be 
>> able to dazzle them with technical ability. Idiot savants only need apply I 
>> guess.
>
> Translation: we want you to be smart and capable but we want you to take a 
> crap salary too ;)
>
> -dave
>
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"crap" of course probably meaning much more than the typical "inexeperienced" 
but capable person will actually accept in the current tech job market. This is 
because, most of them end up with a non-tech job.

It amazes me, it continues to amaze me, the level of arrogance "you people" 
flaunt around, even when those of us less rich have in the past expressed how 
insulting the "low" pay whines are.

Maybe there should be another list, [email protected] where you could post 
these superfluous-but-insulting pay rate discussions.

I know that, at the start of 2001 I was making really good money, probably 
"low" by your standards, but more than any of my working class friends hope to 
make even by the end of their careers. Now I find, even if I bid at minimum 
wage, there are competent people in the world willing to work for much less. 
Which is great, I would never say, Americans are more important than other 
peoples. It's not bad working conditions driving the pay down, or low 
enviromental standards. I just can't take a low wage to get the bids, the 
bottom is too low. Instead I have to convince a client that I am so much better 
than the others bidding, that they want to hire me at a living wage.

Where does that put a capable person living in an expensive country, trying to 
break into the field?

So I think, these people hiring specifically less experienced programmers, 
should be commended for their support of the young programmers. Instead of 
whined about. It is neither fair, nor good for the industry, to have a big age 
gap, to have a decade where nobody gets to start out in the field.

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Paris