Re: Kwiki

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Hi folks,

I have made a successful install on a production Windows 2003 Server 
(with some drawbacks, of course)... Don´t ask me details, but Nahum if 
you like, PM me and I will go with you through my setup...

kind regards, Florian Leeber


Ingy dot Net schrieb:
> On 02/05/07 11:25 -0400, Nahum Goldmann wrote:
>   
>> Brian, thanks.
>>
>> Too bad this small fact is not noted anywhere in Kwiki documentation,
>> it would save much frustration and weeks of lost time for several
>> people.
>>
>> Brian, I'm considered one of the pioneers of Linux use in the North
>>     
>
> It's Ingy, fyi.
>
>   
>> America and my company started to use Perl under Linux, but than had
>> to move to Windows, as 98% of global users use it vs. ~2% of
>> Unix/Linux and ~0.2% Apple.   It's not that I'm a big Windows fun but
>> that's where my clients are and they are always right by definition.
>>
>> Linux community might have many good things about it but one of the
>> most insensitive things is to pretend that it develops in the vacuum.
>> Perl was ported to Windows many years back and there is little excuse
>> that a particular module does not operate under it; but even less that
>> the fact that it is "not intended" to run on Windows (I read it as
>> something has been done to ensure it won't run) is not being noted
>> upfront anywhere in its documentation.  It's rude and does not help
>> anybody.  This is not the way to win friends.
>>     
>
> I appreciate your concern, but it's just a little off base. True most people
> in the world use Windows for their desktop OS. But Kwiki is not a desktop app.
> It is a server app. You are about the only person who has contacted me in the
> last 3 years wanting to run Kwiki on windows. Everyone runs wikis on unix
> servers. You can even use Cygwin as I mentioned.
>
> Kwiki is also not just a Perl module. It's a huge project with hundreds of
> modules. While supporting Windows is possible, it is really just a
> distraction. I have too much project stuff in my life to serve this edge case.
>
> My other general purpose Perl modules all support Windows. I'm not
> anti-windows by a long stretch. I just put my time where it is most useful.
>
> Kwiki is a community project. I don't stand in the way of anyone porting it to
> Windows, but I really can't afford to make this effort myself. Maybe this can
> be be your cause. You can port Kwiki to windows. I'll definitely support your
> efforts.
>
> I've CCed the Kwiki mailing list just in case anyone else wants to work on
> a port.
>
> Also note that Kwiki only supports Perl 5.8.3 and above. Many people
> consider it rude to not support back to 5.5.3, but for the same reasons above,
> it is not a Kwiki priority.
>
> In a YAPC talk I gave recently on Kwiki in Tokyo I noted the current Kwiki
> development is optimized for fun. Windows and old Perls are no fun.
>
> Cheers, Ingy
>
>   
>> Regards
>>
>> Nahum Goldmann
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Ingy dot Net" <[email protected]>
>> To: "Nahum Goldmann" <[email protected]>
>> Cc: "Ingy dot Net" <[email protected]>
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 03:35
>> Subject: Re: Kwiki
>>
>>
>>     
>>> Kwiki is not intended to run on Windows. It is only known to work on
>>>       
>> Unix. If
>>     
>>> you want, you can try using Cygwin, which is Uni for Windows.
>>>
>>> Cheers, Ingy
>>>
>>> On 02/05/07 00:41 -0400, Nahum Goldmann wrote:
>>>       
>>>> Brian, perhaps you can refer us to the expert on installing this
>>>> module on Windows server (rather than Linux) that is hosted for us
>>>>         
>> by
>>     
>>>> LFC.  Note that we use Perl on Windows for ages and have many
>>>>         
>> modules
>>     
>>>> installed there.
>>>>
>>>> They repeatedly tried to install it on several versions of Perl on
>>>> Windows and it just would not.  We are trying it to install for 2
>>>> weeks, but absolutely no success.
>>>>
>>>> Here is what happens according to the sys admin:
>>>>
>>>> =========================================
>>>> >From information on the Internet:
>>>> http://engelke.com/blog/2003/07/
>>>> Demonstration. First, install CGI::Kwiki, using the
>>>> standard Perl functions (I used cpan force install
>>>> CGI::Kwiki - I had to use "force" because the tests
>>>> are Unix specific, and fail under Windows, even though
>>>> the module is okay).
>>>>
>>>> =========================================
>>>>
>>>> "Server4, where your account currently is, uses Perl
>>>> 5.6.1. I can move you to Server22 which uses 5.8.8
>>>> build 820. "
>>>>
>>>> "I was installing it on a Windows machine. The only
>>>> error I was given was that there wasn't a module that
>>>> matched the version of Perl on that server. In fact, I
>>>> tried it on all of our servers that had unique Perl
>>>> versions. None of them could find a working install
>>>> for it. What version of Perl are you using into which
>>>> you were able to install it?"
>>>>
>>>> "The tried the -force switch but it didn't help at
>>>> all. The version of CGI::Kwiki just isn't going to
>>>> match the Perl versions we have on our servers, which
>>>> are all Windows."
>>>>
>>>> =======================================
>>>> Much appreciated.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks and regards
>>>>
>>>> Nahum Goldmann
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Nahum Goldmann" <[email protected]>
>>>> To: "Ingy dot Net" <[email protected]>
>>>> Cc: "Brian Ingerson" <[email protected]>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 21:09
>>>> Subject: Re: Kwiki
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>> Brian, thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>> We are still looking at it.  It turns out there are well known
>>>>> problems with this module's installation on Windows servers
>>>>>           
>> which
>>     
>>>> are
>>>>         
>>>>> not covered by its documentation.
>>>>>
>>>>> I might be back to you with additional questions.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>>
>>>>> Nahum Goldmann
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>> From: "Ingy dot Net" <[email protected]>
>>>>> To: "Nahum Goldmann" <[email protected]>
>>>>> Cc: "Brian Ingerson" <[email protected]>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 05:57
>>>>> Subject: Re: Kwiki
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>>>>> On 26/04/07 11:27 -0600, Nahum Goldmann wrote:
>>>>>> Content-Description: Mail message body
>>>>>>             
>>>>>>> Dear Brian Ingerson
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We are experiencing some difficulties with installing this
>>>>>>>               
>>>> module.
>>>>         
>>>>> We have done seveal re-installs, changed servers and Perl
>>>>>           
>> versions,
>>     
>>>>> but it still does not work.
>>>>>           
>>>>>> The easy way to install Kwiki is documented here:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     http://www.kwiki.org/?InstallingKwiki2
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hope that helps.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             
>>>>>>> Can you recommend us an expert on the installation process?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Much appreciated
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nahum Goldmann
>>>>>>> Ottawa, Canada
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>               

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