Re: Shimming The Moose Way

On Thu, 10 Apr 2014, Thalhammer, Jeffrey Ryan wrote:

> Can you categorise them down into a few mechanism types, and then define new syntax to
> represent and expand each out into a particular implementation of that underlying
> mechanism?
> 
> I think I see where you are going.  If I can distill things down to a few conventions, then I can
> use configuration or a type of DSL to do the work.  Does that sound right?

Or introduce new syntax like MooseX::Declare, or they advocate for 5.14+ Devel::CallParser, Function::Parameters and Keyword::Simple which I've not looked into any myself btw:

http://search.cpan.org/~ether/MooseX-Declare-0.38/lib/MooseX/Declare.pm#WARNING

>       I've been storing everything in an attribute slot with MooseX::Privacy's 'Private' or
>       'Protected' traits.  However there are constraints around declaring them like that in
>       a Role, something I want to explore when I get time.
> 
> Thanks for the suggestion, I'll look into that.

It changed my code in a fundamentally better way, I just hope I can get them working with Roles - both to be private/protected to the Instance, as well as to the Role itself like where p5-mop-redux is going *happydance*

>        If we can declare an interface with typed parameter slots, method signatures and all
>       that jazz - I for one would find it incredibly useful, for the same type of
>       de-coupling issues that you're dealing with above.
> 
> Sometimes I feel we have turned Perl into Java.  But that's probably ok, because they have turned
> Java into Perl. Goldilox had the right idea.

I wouldn't go that far, I look at it more like Perl is catching up to the 1960s.

Attribute slots with Types in Perl was a game changer for me.  I suspect that typed method parameters, and signatures, are going to be equally important.

> Thanks for sharing your wisdom.  I'll sleep on it and see how things go tomorrow.

Cheers, though I'm sure there are many better viewpoints and ideas that others on the list can share!  I tend to go off exploring stuff that seems obscure to others: but getting data hiding and encapsulation correct is at the core of everything, I suspect.

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