Re: Moose Role Call

--- Chris Prather <[email protected]> wrote:

> 
> On Jan 24, 2008, at 7:50 a, Stevan Little wrote:
> 
> >
> > On Jan 23, 2008, at 9:37 PM, Matt S Trout wrote:
> >> On Wed, Jan 23, 2008 at 06:47:53AM -0800, John
> Napiorkowski wrote:
> >>> I thought we were calling it a post modern
> object
> >>> system now?  Which for me brought on a panic
> attack,
> >>> recalling my post modern literary criticism
> class from
> >>> my grad school days.
> >>
> >> I call it "Meta object orientation and syntax
> entensions" :)
> >>
> >
> > I call it "Most Orangutans Order Szhechuan
> Entrees" :)
> >
> > I understand they like the spicy stuff.
> >
> > Although to be (kinda) serious, the post-modern
> bit is because  
> > really a "modern" OO system is something like Java
> or C#, which is  
> > (at this point) rather boring and straight
> forward. Moose aims to  
> > push past those languages, dragging along with it
> things from CLOS,  
> > BETA, Smalltalk, Perl 6, etc. It builds upon the
> "modern" OO  
> > systems, and looks for the next step, hence the
> "post".
> >
> > Also, Post-modern (at least in the fine-art world)
> tends to include  
> > a lot of appropriation and recontextualization
> (see Pop-art, Neo- 
> > Dadaism, the painting revival in the 80s, etc).
> Moose steals stuff  
> > from many other languages (appropriation) and
> attempts to put it  
> > into a perl-ish context (recontextualization), so
> in that sense  
> > also I see it as post-modern.
> >
> > And lastly, post-modernism tends to be a lot more
> fun and less  
> > stuffy then modernism :)
> 
> Also from a Lit Crit view point, post modernism has
> a lot to do with  
> the power of the reader for informing half the value
> of the story.  
> This is very literal in Moose with the deep
> introspection and ability  
> to interact with and override the metaobject
> protocol. I could  
> probably have a long digression about method
> modifiers (around/before/ 
> after) being meta-narrative constructs which break
> the fourth-wall of  
> programming by talking about the methods they are
> modifying ... but  
> really that won't happen until Perl gets macros.
> 
> -chris

Hmm, but another part of post modernism is the concept
that the object isn't really there, that all we have
is the representation.  Which works for me because I'm
still weak on understanding the metafu, but trying to
get there.

-john

> 



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