Re: Naming debate- what's the location for it?
[email protected] (vijayvithal jahagirdar) Sat, 17 Feb 2018 12:35:29 +0530
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--94eb2c1245a6177bde0565631642 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Marketing is not only about branding. It is also about finding Evangelists. Perl's traditional base was in - Web Development, - Text Processing, - Bio-Informatics and - As a general glue language among the sys admin and EDA community. How many of these sectors are moving away or have moved away from Perl? What is the game plan for bringing them back? - How many courses are there today on Coursera or Other MOOCS which use Perl to teach one of the above? - If I wanted to learn something new today, rather than plod through 300 pages of a book I would signup for a course and spend the time in watching the course material and doing the assignments. - When I wanted to learn DataScience, courses using R and Python were readily available. Even though I had been using Perl for 20 years, I did not even know where to start in the Perl ecosystem! I believe along with re branding we also need powerful narratives about how Modern Perl and P6 are better than their competitors in the selected domains. Regards Vijay On Sat, Feb 17, 2018 at 3:26 AM, Darren Duncan <[email protected]> wrote: > If we assume the use of NQP is part of the project's identity, then yes > that makes sense. Historically that wasn't the case, eg the earlier Rakudo > were written to Parrot PIR directly, and there's the possibility this could > change again, though I see that as unlikely. Not a bad idea. -- Darren > Duncan > > On 2018-02-16 3:07 AM, Lloyd Fournier wrote: > >> I'm about to publish some blog posts with using Perl 6 to demonstrate >> some cryptographic primitives. I was thinking about calling it "rakudo" to >> at least intrigue people and make them google it. Couldn't we call the >> language rakudo and the implementation nqp-rakudo? (ie a rakudo >> implementation in nqp) >> >> LL >> >> >> On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 5:02 AM Patrick R. Michaud wrote: >> >> On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 05:55:54PM +0000, raiph mellor wrote: >> > (Perl) Rakudo >> > =========== >> > >> > If jnthn and pmichaud and larry can warm to this idea, then: >> > [...] >> > The 'Perl' could be dropped from Rakudo specific propaganda, >> > calling the language just Rakudo instead, to reinforce that it >> refers >> > to 6e and beyond. But the Perl could be retained in any material >> > covering both Raptor and Rakudo as a reunified tech / community. >> >> FWIW, I am VERY MUCH AGAINST the idea of naming a language after its >> implementation. I've seen the confusion it causes in other >> environments and >> we ought not repeat that mistake here, especially since we don't have >> to. >> >> Whatever things end up being called, don't confuse the >> implementation(s) >> with the language definition. >> >> Pm >> >> -- https://www.facebook.com/vijayvithal.jahagirdar https://twitter.com/jahagirdar_vs http://democracies-janitor.blogspot.in/ --94eb2c1245a6177bde0565631642 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Marketing is not only about branding. It is also abou= t finding Evangelists.<br></div>Perl's traditional base was in <br><ul>= <li>Web Development,</li><li>Text Processing,</li><li>Bio-Informatics and <= br></li><li>As a general glue language among the sys admin and EDA communit= y. </li></ul><p>How many of these sectors are moving away or have moved awa= y from Perl? What is the game plan for bringing them back?</p><ul><li>How m= any courses are there today on Coursera or Other MOOCS which use Perl to te= ach one of the above?</li><li>If I wanted to learn something new today, rat= her than plod through 300 pages of a book I would signup for a course and s= pend the time in watching the course material and doing the assignments.</l= i><li>When I wanted to learn DataScience, courses using R and Python were r= eadily available. Even though I had been using Perl for 20 years, I did not= even know where to start in the Perl ecosystem!</li></ul><p>I believe alon= g with re branding we also need powerful narratives about how Modern Perl a= nd P6 are better than their competitors in the selected domains. <br></p><p= >Regards</p><p>Vijay<br></p></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class= =3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Feb 17, 2018 at 3:26 AM, Darren Duncan <span dir= =3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">d= [email protected]</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_= quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1= ex">If we assume the use of NQP is part of the project's identity, then= yes that makes sense.=C2=A0 Historically that wasn't the case, eg the = earlier Rakudo were written to Parrot PIR directly, and there's the pos= sibility this could change again, though I see that as unlikely.=C2=A0 Not = a bad idea. -- Darren Duncan<span class=3D""><br> <br> On 2018-02-16 3:07 AM, Lloyd Fournier wrote:<br> </span><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-= left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class=3D""> I'm about to publish some blog posts with using Perl 6=C2=A0 to demonst= rate some cryptographic primitives. I was thinking about calling it "r= akudo" to at least intrigue people and make them google it. Couldn'= ;t we call the language rakudo and the implementation nqp-rakudo? (ie a rak= udo implementation in nqp)<br> <br> LL<br> <br> <br></span><span class=3D""> On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 5:02 AM Patrick R. Michaud wrote:<br> <br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 05:55:54PM +0000, raiph mellor wrote:= <br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> (Perl) Rakudo<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0><br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> If jnthn and pmichaud and larry can warm to this i= dea, then:<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> [...]<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> The 'Perl' could be dropped from Rakudo sp= ecific propaganda,<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> calling the language just Rakudo instead, to reinf= orce that it refers<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> to 6e and beyond. But the Perl could be retained i= n any material<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> covering both Raptor and Rakudo as a reunified tec= h / community.<br> <br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 FWIW, I am VERY MUCH AGAINST the idea of naming a language af= ter its<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 implementation.=C2=A0 I've seen the confusion it causes i= n other environments and<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 we ought not repeat that mistake here, especially since we do= n't have to.<br> <br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Whatever things end up being called, don't confuse the im= plementation(s)<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 with the language definition.<br> <br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Pm<br> <br> </span></blockquote> </blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br><div class=3D"gmail_sig= nature" data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature"><a href=3D"https://www.facebook.= com/vijayvithal.jahagirdar" target=3D"_blank">https://www.facebook.com/vija= yvithal.jahagirdar</a><br><a href=3D"https://twitter.com/jahagirdar_vs" tar= get=3D"_blank">https://twitter.com/jahagirdar_vs</a><br><a href=3D"http://d= emocracies-janitor.blogspot.in/" target=3D"_blank">http://democracies-janit= or.blogspot.in/</a><br></div> </div> --94eb2c1245a6177bde0565631642--