Re: [ESSAY] “Writing tests, motherfucker! ”

Hello there,
You should consider the aim of the tests.
Whether it is for UAT (user acceptance) for a new functionality.
Or just Sanity Tests :
=> Non regressions tests
But if it is automated, I totally agree : please just write the damn tests 
;-))
Note that they should be normally written/designed before development by 
the functional teams ...
Which is rarely the case.
Best regards
Fabien


From:   Shlomi Fish <[email protected]>
To:     Jeffrey Ryan Thalhammer <[email protected]>, 
Cc:     [email protected]
Date:   30/01/2013 07:58
Subject:        Re: [ESSAY] “Writing tests, motherfucker!”



Hi Jeffrey,

On Tue, 29 Jan 2013 16:36:54 -0800
Jeffrey Ryan Thalhammer <[email protected]> wrote:

> 
> On Jan 26, 2013, at 1:13 AM, Shlomi Fish wrote:
> 
> > However, now I feel that trying to
> > philosophise about the distinction between all those is not so useful 
for
> > the people who are actually trying to write the tests.
> 
> 
> +1000
> 

:-)

> I once had fervent debates with colleagues about whether something was a
> "unit test" or "integration test" or "acceptance test".  I always felt 
the
> distinction was pointless, but now I understand why it happened.
> 
> Unit tests were regarded as the developer's realm.  Integration tests 
are the
> build engineer's responsibility.  And acceptance tests might belong to 
QA.
> So labeling tests serves as a means for allocating work (and blame).
> 
> Fortunately, I've seen more and more organizations dismantle their QA 
teams
> completely.  Quality is everyone's responsibility.

Well, I feel that having some testers who try to break the software is 
useful
for programs which have a GUI, a web UI, etc. They don't need to be coders
per-ce, but should be clueful to try various things. I am always 
frustrated
that various web UIs don't behave exactly like I want, and I feel that
contacting the web-site owner will yield nothing. (Google, I am looking at
you).

As someone who is obsessed with even the smallest usability details on
http://www.shlomifish.org/ and other sites, I feel that the standard “You 
have
a problem with a site, and I agree with you that it's a problem, but I'm 
not
going to make it a high priority to fix it, so f**k you!” (as opposed to 
what
Joel on Software said here -
http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/customerservice.html .


> 
> Now, somebody, just write the damn test :)
> 

Agreed. :-).

> -Jeff

Regards,

                 Shlomi Fish

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