Re: Heating woes

On 18.08.2023 14.51, Merlyne wrote:
> BeH <[email protected]> wrote in
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>> On 13.08.2023 23.28, Merlyne wrote:
>>> BeH <[email protected]> wrote in
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>>>> On 09.08.2023 14.19, Merlyne wrote:
>>>>> BeH <[email protected]> wrote in
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>>>>>> On 01.08.2023 13.32, Merlyne wrote:
>>>>>>> BeH <[email protected]> wrote in
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>>>>>>>> On 27.07.2023 15.32, Merlyne wrote:
>>>>>>>>> BeH <[email protected]> wrote in
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>>>>>>>>>> On 22.07.2023 17.21, Merlyne wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> BeH <[email protected]> wrote in
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>>>>>>>>>>>> On 18.07.2023 13.24, Merlyne wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> BeH <[email protected]> wrote in
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12.07.2023 13.22, Merlyne wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13.05.2023 13.13,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Merlyne 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [pruned]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [how spring-like]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ['tis the season to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pruny] >>>>>>>>>> [pruny sounds
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like >>>> what happens 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when >>>> one  stays in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bathtub 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too >> long] >>> [pruny sounds
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>> what >> happens 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the >>> restroom when you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eat >>>> too >>>> many >> prunes.] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [I have nothing to add to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that] >>>>>>>>> [And here I thought
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >> would be 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a >>>> good >>> conversation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> starter.] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Soooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How >>>>>> many >> prunes is too
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many? I 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eat a >>>> few >> every >> day] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [If either you or your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> detritus 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>> running 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you have had too many.] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [You could say that about most
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> things. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I  once ate an entire bag of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> black >>>>>> licorce 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in one sitting. Not advisable.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Everything 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in moderation except
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moderation...] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Licorice is great for raising
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your >>>>> blood pressure as well as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> delicious. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also unmoderated moderation gets
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really > boring after a while.] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Does it? Colour me boring then]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [I'll check if they have that next
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time > I'm in the paint store.] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [I was hoping you were going to use
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a >>>> marker] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [The only markers I have are black
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or >>> red - neither of those are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> boring] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [What do you consider boring? Grey?]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [As colours go. Beige, off-white...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything that looks like it's been
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> washed too many times] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Maybe I already look like I've been
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> washed too much] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Is that why you think you have a boring
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> colour?] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [It was more about moderation]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Sometimes you just have to go all out. Or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in... something like that] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [My brane hurts]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [You really should get one of those brane
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> massage thingies] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Which?]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [The ones with the wires and the little
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> balls... 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ERROR: Expecting a ].
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Aren't those for massaging the scalp?]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Well, you obviously have to remove the top of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the scull first for the best results]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [There's always a catch. First you need the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> massage thingie and then you get it out of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> box and see you need a Stryker saw. At this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point, I've already opened the box, so I can't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> send it back for a refund. The replacement blades
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for that thing aren't cheap. Then I get part way
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> around and realize I can't get my skull undone at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the back] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Maybe the friendly people at the hardware store
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can help you out. If I buy wood I can get it cut
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to size for DKK50 per cut...] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [I don't want someone who cuts wood for a living
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> playing around with my  skull]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [You should have some faith in your fellow human,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sure they are perfectly competent. And willing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to sanitise the blade for a nominal fee.] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Hard pass]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [If you prefer. But you don't know where that blade
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has been.] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [*runs away*]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [There really is no way to please you, is there?]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Not when it comes to opening my head with a rusty blade,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no} 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *crying and shaking from TWO unbalanced parenthesises*
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [The rusty part is on you, though, if you won't pay the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cleaning fee] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Can I borrow some money? I'm a bit short right now]
>>>>>>>>>>>> [Doesn't your health insurance cover de-rusting?]
>>>>>>>>>>> [I doubt it. It covers only the essentials, not cosmetic
>>>>>>>>>>> things] 
>>>>>>>>>> [You could argue that not un-rusting the saw is an infection
>>>>>>>>>> risk, so it could be more expensive in the long run.]
>>>>>>>>> [Have you every tried to argue with an insurance company?]
>>>>>>>> [Nope. But I'm sure they are all nice people with your best
>>>>>>>> interest in mind.]
>>>>>>> [I'm sure their profits are ahead of my welfare]
>>>>>> [It must be a miserable life to have mindset like that. But that's
>>>>>> CAPITALISM for you]
>>>>> [Money makes the world go around. I feel a song coming on]
>>>> [Is it the Internationale? Or maybe Le Marseillaise? Beneath the Red
>>>> Banner?]
>>> [Nope]
>> [I give up, then. What song?]
> [99 Red Balloons]

But that's not even about capitalism...

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [semantics no more]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Huh?]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Left on the editor's floor]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [I must have misunderstood the editor. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought he said my dress would look good on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> floor] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [I would think that's more of a producer's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> comment. Anyway that sort of thing doesn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happen any more. There was that scandal in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 30's, I think, and then all that nonsense
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stopped.] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Yeah, right. I used to sit beside the IT cluster
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> back in the 80's. They harrassed me (and other
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> women) every day. Well, the ones who weren't too
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scared to talk to a girl did.] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [That must be a uniquely Canadian thing. Something
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like that would never happen here. Except for the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> head of a major union. She had to resign recently,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> amid accusations of bullying and harassment. And
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the bigwig in one of the political parties who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'elected to spend more time with his family' or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something not long ago.] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [By harassment, I meant sexual harassment. I used
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to laugh it off. Nowadays the comments would be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reported to HR.] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Both examples above included/consisted of sexual
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> harassment. People who gain power think they can get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> away with stuff. Down with power.] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [I've never had my job threatened]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Try harassing someone. That may work.]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [The harrassment courses that we to take don't give any
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tips on how to harrass someone.]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sure they do. All the stuff where it says 'Don't do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this' - do that. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They don't really do that anymore.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The first time we took it, it was in a classroom. People
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where asking too many questions. Having met other people,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I assume that scheduling everybody into a session is a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> logistical nightmare. They switched it to an online
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> course with case studies. One was about a woman who took
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a lower paying job in a department after being harrassed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by a coworker. The coworker was another woman who was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mean to her and said things like 'I'm sick of covering
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for you' and shoved the first woman into the wall when
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they were alone in the washroom and stuff like that. It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> probably triggered someone. Now the course is online and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> focuses on the broad definition of harrassment and what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you should do if you are harrassed and the steps of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> process to resolve the complaint. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sounds like it's the victims responsibility now.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think they don't take it seriously unless there are
>>>>>>>>>>>>> witnesses and stuff. Otherwise it turns into one of those
>>>>>>>>>>>>> he-said-she-said things. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> One radical idea I just came up with is just not have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> harassers going around in the work environment harassing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people... 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>                      /don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, you control other people especially bullies.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I missed a word, which I do often since I think faster than I
>>>>>>>>>>> type. Let's go with that.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Somebody surely controls whether they are/remain employed.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yes. But you have a prove a case with Labour Relations and
>>>>>>>>>>> then it will go to arbitration and the bully will be given a
>>>>>>>>>>> chance to improve. The union will fight any dismissals. It's
>>>>>>>>>>> really hard to rid of people. 
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> But if they spend their time bullying other people they can't
>>>>>>>>>> also be doing their job properly... So fire them for
>>>>>>>>>> incompetence. 
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yeah. That is also an uphill battle. *sigh*
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Years ago, a co-worker spent time in jail because he
>>>>>>>>>>>>> molested a kid at his wife's daycare. The day before he
>>>>>>>>>>>>> came back, we were all herded into the boardroom and told
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that mentioning his crime or being mean to him was
>>>>>>>>>>>>> harrassment and anyone doing so would be fired. The system
>>>>>>>>>>>>> works. 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Clearly...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> So not the guy assigned to look after the kids at the
>>>>>>>>>>>> company picnic, I take it.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I would advise against it. 
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You are so wise...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It's the glasses, isn't it?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That, and the professional attire.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Don't mock the yoga pants!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not. Not at all. I'm all in favour of yoga pants. (Not on me,
>>>>>> though) 
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I do wear casual business attire on the days when I go into the
>>>>> office. But I change into my pajamas as soon as I get home.
>>>>
>>>> Exactly. Who doesn't look wise in pajamas?
>>>>
>>>
>>> I look comfy. And probably tired.
>>> The 'wise' part is from the glasses and silver hair.
>>> Pretty sure.
>>
>> I dunno. I have glasses and some silver hair - nobody have called me
>> wise lately...
>>
> You need to go out and socialize.

I'm busy. Anyway I go out all the time. Tomorrow for example I'm going
out to buy tobacco. And food, probably.

-- 
BeH

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