Re: HOPE but not faith
Skeeter <[email protected]>
| Newsgroups | alt.atheism,talk.atheism,alt.agnosticism,talk.philosophy.humanism,sci.skeptic,alt.magick |
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| Organization | UTB inc. |
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In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says... > > On 10-Apr-23 2:02 am, Skeeter wrote: > > In article <[email protected]>, > > [email protected] says... > >> > >> Skeeter wrote: > >>> [email protected] says... > >>>> Skeeter wrote: > >>>>> [email protected] says... > >>>>>> Skeeter wrote: > >>>>>>> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says... > >>>>>>>> On 08-Apr-23 2:52 pm, Michael McLean wrote: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Everything is the consequence of something. No thing can create itself. > >>>>>>>>>  It needs a cause. Thus eternal God or nothing would be here. No thing > >>>>>>>>> can "be" before it is in order to bring itself into "being." > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> So, God can be eternal, but nothing else can, because.....? > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Sylvia. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> He created it? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Could God create an eternal universe if he wanted to? > >>>>> > >>>>> It wouldn't be eternal if it was created. > >>>> > >>>> So you mean no, God isn't powerful enough to create an > >>>> eternal universe. > >>> > >>> > >>> Twist it around as usual. > >> > >> You said it, not me. > >> > >>> If it was created it cannot be eternal. > >> > >> Of course it can. Any omnipotent god can create > >> something that lasts forever. If he can't, he's not > >> omnipotent and he needs to go back to god school. > > > > If it was created it had a beginning. > > You mean God cannot create an eternal universe that had no beginning? If it was created it can't be eternal. > > In any case, we already know that "omnipotence" contains a built-in > contradiction. Can God create something that He cannot destroy? Etc. > Nice spin.