Re: HOPE but not faith
Bob Casanova <[email protected]>
| Newsgroups | alt.atheism,talk.atheism,alt.agnosticism,talk.philosophy.humanism,sci.skeptic,alt.magick |
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| Organization | A noiseless patient Spider |
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On Tue, 11 Apr 2023 09:49:50 +1000, the following appeared in sci.skeptic, posted by Michael McLean <[email protected]>: >On 11/04/2023 3:03 am, Bob Casanova wrote: >> On Mon, 10 Apr 2023 11:22:27 +1000, the following appeared >> in sci.skeptic, posted by Sylvia Else >> <[email protected]>: >> >>> On 10-Apr-23 2:02 am, Skeeter wrote: >>>> In article <[email protected]>, >>>> [email protected] says... >>>>> >>>>> Skeeter wrote: >>>>>> [email protected] says... >>>>>>> Skeeter wrote: >>>>>>>> [email protected] says... >>>>>>>>> Skeeter wrote: >>>>>>>>>> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says... >>>>>>>>>>> On 08-Apr-23 2:52 pm, Michael McLean wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Everything is the consequence of something. No thing can create itself. >>>>>>>>>>>>  It needs a cause. Thus eternal God or nothing would be here. No thing >>>>>>>>>>>> can "be" before it is in order to bring itself into "being." >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> So, God can be eternal, but nothing else can, because.....? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Sylvia. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> He created it? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Could God create an eternal universe if he wanted to? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It wouldn't be eternal if it was created. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So you mean no, God isn't powerful enough to create an >>>>>>> eternal universe. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Twist it around as usual. >>>>> >>>>> You said it, not me. >>>>> >>>>>> If it was created it cannot be eternal. >>>>> >>>>> Of course it can. Any omnipotent god can create >>>>> something that lasts forever. If he can't, he's not >>>>> omnipotent and he needs to go back to god school. >>>> >>>> If it was created it had a beginning. >>> >>> You mean God cannot create an eternal universe that had no beginning? >>> >> He's using the first dictionary definition of "eternal", >> which implies "always existed and always will" and ignoring >> the second, which does not: >> >> From the OED: >> >> "1.without beginning or end; lasting forever; always >> existing (opposed to temporal): eternal life. >> >> 2.perpetual; ceaseless; endless: eternal quarreling;eternal >> chatter." >> >> IOW, word games. > >One thing is for sure, you won't continue to be an eternal wank nowhere man! > Correct! And never have been! > >How's that? :-). > 10 for 10! > -- Bob C. "The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new discoveries, is not 'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'" - Isaac Asimov