Re: something from nothing ?

On 1/21/2026 5:18 PM, Dale wrote:
> On 1/21/2026 12:52 PM, Dawn Flood wrote:
>> On 1/21/2026 9:04 AM, Dale wrote:
>>> On 1/21/2026 9:44 AM, Dawn Flood wrote:
>>>> On 1/20/2026 8:38 PM, Dale wrote:
>>>>> On 1/14/2026 11:24 PM, Dawn Flood wrote:
>>>>>> On 1/14/2026 7:29 PM, Dale wrote:
>>>>>>> On 1/11/2026 11:23 AM, Dawn Flood wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 1/11/2026 10:18 AM, Dale wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 1/11/2026 10:05 AM, Dawn Flood wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 1/10/2026 2:13 PM, Dale wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> something from nothing ?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> magic ?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> if nothing comes to God's mind does God make something out of 
>>>>>>>>>>> it ?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.dalekelly.org/yuga.html
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Maybe the Cosmos is eternal, and without a beginning:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclic_model
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I like my version of Yuga Cycles
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.dalekelly.org/yuga.html
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yuga Cycles are Hindu Universal Cause and Effect.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Brahma is the Creation Cycle.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahma
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Vishnu is the Maintenance Cycle.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vishnu
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Shiva is the Destruction Cycle.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shiva
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Kali is the Female Cycle.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kali
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Here are some things I add ...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Each Cycle is a mindset of a Single God.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Kali stops the Shiva Destruction.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Kali allows Eternal Vishnu Maintenance, Including Maintenance 
>>>>>>>>> of the availability of Creation.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Kali births new New Brahma Creation for those of New Creation too.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> All (or some) of that may be true, or none of it may be true; 
>>>>>>>> it's outside of Science.  You're free to believe in "whatever" 
>>>>>>>> you want to believe in; others are free to do the same.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dawn
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> science can be outside of logic too ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> quantum uncertainty ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> what are the possibilities of digital and analog computing ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I see the differences as being between the formal, empirical and 
>>>>>> quasi- sciences; for the first category, such would be 
>>>>>> mathematics, logic, etc.; for the second, physics, chemistry, 
>>>>>> biology, sociology, etc.; and, for the last, things like the study 
>>>>>> of history, which insists on the existence of evidences to support 
>>>>>> one's conclusions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In any case, evidence is key, as opposed to faith, feeling, 
>>>>>> authority, religious beliefs and/or traditions, etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dawn
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> induction, deduction
>>>>>
>>>>> reversible induction or deduction is hypothesis
>>>>>
>>>>> testable hypothesis is theory
>>>>>
>>>>> theory sampling can include a statistical assumption
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> No.  See here:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.nationalacademies.org/evolution-resources
>>>
>>>
>>> are you saying you can test the beginning of a virtual particle 
>>> without out having magic ?
>>>
>>> part of the whole is the concept of nothing and the whole can use it ?
>>>
>>> part of the whole is also conscious ?
>>>
>>
>> No, science is about building models and testing those models through 
>> experiment, observation, or, in the case of the formal sciences 
>> (mathematics, logic, etc.), formal proofs.  As for virtual particles, 
>> such is the domain of QFT (Quantum Field Theory), and I am not an 
>> expert in that; there are physicists who explain that.  The late 
>> Professor Steven Weinberg wrote a 3-volume tome on QFT; I haven't read 
>> it, but that is where people should go if they really want to 
>> understand such things on a quantitative level.  On a more qualitative 
>> level, the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle allows for the existence 
>> of such particles, and Google AI has a nice description of that.
>>
>> Dawn
> 
> 
> all science starts with its philosophy ...
> 
> induction, deduction
> 
> reversible induction or deduction is hypothesis
> 
> testable hypothesis is theory
> 
> theory sampling can include a statistical assumption
> 
> 
> 

That is like saying that all science starts with breathing followed by 
exhaling.  In other for something to be a hypothesis, it must be 
testable; this is what made the scientific revolution different than the 
authority-based ideas that came before it of revealed religion.  As the 
late Dr. Carl Sagan said in a speech at the Center for Inquiry (probably 
somewhere on YouTube) in the presence of Dr. Paul Kurtz, "A philosopher 
has no laboratory."  Ditto for a theologian.

Dawn