Re: something from nothing ?

On 1/21/2026 12:52 PM, Dawn Flood wrote:
> On 1/21/2026 9:04 AM, Dale wrote:
>> On 1/21/2026 9:44 AM, Dawn Flood wrote:
>>> On 1/20/2026 8:38 PM, Dale wrote:
>>>> On 1/14/2026 11:24 PM, Dawn Flood wrote:
>>>>> On 1/14/2026 7:29 PM, Dale wrote:
>>>>>> On 1/11/2026 11:23 AM, Dawn Flood wrote:
>>>>>>> On 1/11/2026 10:18 AM, Dale wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 1/11/2026 10:05 AM, Dawn Flood wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 1/10/2026 2:13 PM, Dale wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> something from nothing ?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> magic ?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> if nothing comes to God's mind does God make something out of 
>>>>>>>>>> it ?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.dalekelly.org/yuga.html
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Maybe the Cosmos is eternal, and without a beginning:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclic_model
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I like my version of Yuga Cycles
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.dalekelly.org/yuga.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yuga Cycles are Hindu Universal Cause and Effect.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Brahma is the Creation Cycle.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahma
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Vishnu is the Maintenance Cycle.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vishnu
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Shiva is the Destruction Cycle.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shiva
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Kali is the Female Cycle.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kali
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Here are some things I add ...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Each Cycle is a mindset of a Single God.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Kali stops the Shiva Destruction.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Kali allows Eternal Vishnu Maintenance, Including Maintenance of 
>>>>>>>> the availability of Creation.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Kali births new New Brahma Creation for those of New Creation too.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All (or some) of that may be true, or none of it may be true; 
>>>>>>> it's outside of Science.  You're free to believe in "whatever" 
>>>>>>> you want to believe in; others are free to do the same.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dawn
>>>>>>
>>>>>> science can be outside of logic too ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> quantum uncertainty ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> what are the possibilities of digital and analog computing ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I see the differences as being between the formal, empirical and 
>>>>> quasi- sciences; for the first category, such would be mathematics, 
>>>>> logic, etc.; for the second, physics, chemistry, biology, 
>>>>> sociology, etc.; and, for the last, things like the study of 
>>>>> history, which insists on the existence of evidences to support 
>>>>> one's conclusions.
>>>>>
>>>>> In any case, evidence is key, as opposed to faith, feeling, 
>>>>> authority, religious beliefs and/or traditions, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dawn
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> induction, deduction
>>>>
>>>> reversible induction or deduction is hypothesis
>>>>
>>>> testable hypothesis is theory
>>>>
>>>> theory sampling can include a statistical assumption
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> No.  See here:
>>>
>>> https://www.nationalacademies.org/evolution-resources
>>
>>
>> are you saying you can test the beginning of a virtual particle 
>> without out having magic ?
>>
>> part of the whole is the concept of nothing and the whole can use it ?
>>
>> part of the whole is also conscious ?
>>
> 
> No, science is about building models and testing those models through 
> experiment, observation, or, in the case of the formal sciences 
> (mathematics, logic, etc.), formal proofs.  As for virtual particles, 
> such is the domain of QFT (Quantum Field Theory), and I am not an expert 
> in that; there are physicists who explain that.  The late Professor 
> Steven Weinberg wrote a 3-volume tome on QFT; I haven't read it, but 
> that is where people should go if they really want to understand such 
> things on a quantitative level.  On a more qualitative level, the 
> Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle allows for the existence of such 
> particles, and Google AI has a nice description of that.
> 
> Dawn


all science starts with its philosophy ...

induction, deduction

reversible induction or deduction is hypothesis

testable hypothesis is theory

theory sampling can include a statistical assumption



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