Re: JFK Assassination Shirt

On Saturday, March 13, 2021 at 8:19:17 AM UTC-5, Peter Martyn wrote:
> On Wednesday, December 20, 2017 at 2:38:43 PM UTC-5, Jason Burke wrote: 
> > On 12/19/2017 6:55 PM, deke wrote: 
> > > On Monday, December 18, 2017 at 10:10:30 PM UTC-5, mainframetech wrote: 
> > >> On Sunday, December 17, 2017 at 7:31:05 PM UTC-5, Peter Martyn wrote: 
> > >>> Hello everyone. Various authorities have said that the bullet hole in the 
> > >>> back of the JFK assassination shirt is some specified distance below the 
> > >>> collar and evidently the latest is that its fourteen centimeters. Does 
> > >>> anyone know what that means. Is that 14 cm below the base of the collar or 
> > >>> 14 cm below the top of the collar? Is it 14 cm, somehow, when the shirt 
> > >>> is stretched out on the table, or is it 14 cm when the someone is wearing 
> > >>> the shirt? Can I verify it somehow for whatever it really means since I 
> > >>> don't know where to look it up? Would be much obliged and I might have 
> > >>> something to contribute if I find out a little bit more about it. Thank 
> > >>> you in advance, 
> > >>> 
> > >>> Peter Martyn 
> > >> 
> > >> 
> > >> 
> > >> This 'leaked' autopsy photo can help you figure out where the bullet 
> > >> went in to JFK's upper back. Of course, there's some doubt as to these 
> > >> photos: 
> > >> 
> > >> http://www.jfkmurdersolved.com/images/BE5_HI.jpg 
> > >> 
> > >> Chris 
> > > 
> > > Yes, there is some doubt about this photo. A large portion of the back of 
> > > the head is unusually dark, like it's been blacked out. 
> > > 
> > And, Ladies and Gentlemen, is the best the CTs have.
> Thanks everyone but I just found out that the shirt measures about 14 to 
> 15 cm from the center of the bullet hole to the top of the OPEN collar. 
> You may as well put the shirt flat on the ironing board and measure it 
> that way. That is about 10 to 11 cm from the top of the collar as seen in 
> the motorcade photographs. You can tell from the government stuff at 
> maryferrell.org that that shirt is about 0.547 inches per set of 
> alternating dark and light stripes and now we find a telling photo in a 
> Weisberg book where it shows that there are about twelve stripes from the 
> seam to the top of the open collar. 
> 
> The internet evidence can be found at CE 394-3 at 
> https://www.maryferrell.org/archive/photos/NARA-JFKCLOTHES/Photo_naraevid_CE394-3.jpg and another 
> thing with a ruler on it at 
> https://www.maryferrell.org/photos.html?set=NARA-JFKCLOTHES retrieved 
> March 12 at about 10:47 PM EST. The key to all of this is in the Weisberg 
> book on page 597 and there we find that shirt with the open collar and 
> barely countable stripes on it. At least they are countable in the 
> particular printing that I just got on ebay. Harold Weisberg, Post 
> Mortem, Frederick, Md: Harold Weisberg, Publisher, copyright 1969, 1971 
> and 1975.650 pages. It costs about $20.00.
>

Sorry folks.  When I was looking for a government source for the Weisberg 
photo I found a better photograph and now it seems that the distance is more 
than 13 cm from the top of the FOLDED collar.  The ruler that can measure 
the stripes on the shirt and their series is over at the marryfarrell website 
supra, https://www.maryferrell.org/photos.html?set=NARA-JFKCLOTHES retrieved March 12 at about 10:47 PM EST.   

By now it seems that that expensive shirt has probably at least nine major 
parts not including multilayer structure.  

A best guess is that maybe the FBI had measured the interval immediately 
from the bullet hole to the top of the folded collar (THAT collar could 
not be flattened out on an ironing board anyway) and that both the Clark 
Panel and also the HSCA had probably measured from the level of the bullet 
hole as known to the cloth at the midpoint in the back of the shirt?  
Various photos at merryfarrell show the original bullet hole from before 
the FBI cut some more of it out of it some more and the latest is over at 
https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/25403-newly-released-november-5-1993-photos-of-jfks-suit-shirt-and-tie-from-112263/ retrieved March 13, 
2021 at about 2:50 PM EST.

As far as I can tell both of the government measurements (14.0 and 14.7 
cm) would probably put the hole at the wrong vertebrae if you translated 
either one of them from a commonplace dress shirt and the better 
approximation would probably be found by either making a duplicate shirt 
or else subtracting the height of the back of the inside of the collar and 
then locating the hole from a measurement on the centerline?  In short, or 
as a practical matter, the shirt would seem to suggest an entry wound 
about ten and a half or eleven centimeters below the top of the collar of 
a middle class American dress shirt as measured on the centerline.  

Any seconds?