Re: Question for John McAdams

On Wednesday, March 17, 2021 at 7:37:55 AM UTC-5, John Corbett wrote:
> On Tuesday, March 16, 2021 at 11:21:26 PM UTC-4, Bud wrote: 
> > On Tuesday, March 16, 2021 at 11:23:19 AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote: 
> > > On Monday, March 15, 2021 at 7:02:51 PM UTC-4, Glenn V. wrote: 
> > > > On Sunday, March 14, 2021 at 4:41:23 AM UTC+1, John Corbett wrote: 
> > > > > On Saturday, March 13, 2021 at 2:51:24 PM UTC-5, Bud wrote: 
> > > > > > On Friday, March 12, 2021 at 8:01:56 AM UTC-5, Chuck Schuyler wrote: 
> > > > > > > On Thursday, March 11, 2021 at 6:10:37 PM UTC-6, ajohnstone wrote: 
> > > > > > > > Loathe as i am about entering a one-to-one debate but i just have to 
> > > > > > > > mention the disingenuous use of polls by John McAdams where he 
> > > > > > > > cherry-picked one statistic to misrepresent its findings. 
> > > > > > > > >>>You mean like defunding the police? A majority of blacks oppose that: 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > >>> https://news.gallup.com/poll/316571/black-americans-police-retain-local-presence.aspx 
> > > > > > > > The Gallop poll did not ask a question about defunding the police. 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > The Right like to misinterpret defund the police to mean disband and 
> > > > > > > > dismantle. Not even BLM advocate such. 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Indeed previous polls show only 22% of Black Americans favor abolishing 
> > > > > > > > police departments. However, the vast majority believe reform is needed, 
> > > > > > > > with upward of 90% favoring specific reforms aimed at improving police 
> > > > > > > > relations with the communities they serve and preventing or punishing 
> > > > > > > > abusive police behavior. 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > BLM supporters suggest that city and State financing for law and order is 
> > > > > > > > overly generous (much like military and defense spending, i might add) and 
> > > > > > > > that takes much needed local budget allocation away from the many social 
> > > > > > > > support services which also contribute to lower crime levels. 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Defund simply means reducing and redistributing police department budgets. 
> > > > > > > Baloney. In Minneapolis, where I live, the City Council UNANIMOUSLY voted 
> > > > > > > to DISBAND the police department. 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2020/06/12/minneapolis-city-council-unanimously-votes-to-replace-police-with-community-led-model/?sh=736afcf71a52 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > The Minneapolis City Council President even claimed that fears of 
> > > > > > > DISBANDING the police came from a "place of privilege," and of course, she 
> > > > > > > meant White privilege, the all-encompassing boogeyman: 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > https://www.nationalreview.com/news/minneapolis-city-council-president-claims-fear-of-dismantling-police-comes-from-a-place-of-privilege/ 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Of course, this is batshit crazy and the Communists that run the city 
> > > > > > > government here have had to walk back their idiocy. 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Regardless, with the manpower reduction in the Minneapolis police 
> > > > > > > department, the crime rate in Minneapolis has skyrocketed this past year, 
> > > > > > > and the victims are predominately black. Thanks, Woke Supremacists. 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > https://www.startribune.com/minneapolis-violent-crimes-soared-in-2020-amid-pandemic-protests/600019989/ 
> > > > > > The same here in Philly. Ultra liberal mayor, ultra liberal DA, surge in 
> > > > > > crime. George Floyds die daily, not significant if someone who looks like 
> > > > > > him takes his life. It is almost certain that the more a city`s government 
> > > > > > turns progressive the more crime surges, but you will never see that study 
> > > > > > done by ajohnstone`s leftist think tank studies. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I didn`t realize you were in ground zero, Chuck. I linked to this 
> > > > > > article in a different post a little while back... 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > https://www.aol.com/news/minneapolis-prepares-potential-unrest-ahead-110046142.html 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > A few excerpts were interesting... 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > "“Absolutely not. There’s still a lot of raw emotion and 
> > > > > > trauma that people are experiencing,” Elder said, acknowledging 
> > > > > > the protests and pandemic contributed to an increase in crime, noting that 
> > > > > > homicides rose from 48 in 2019 to 84 last year." 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Notice they always give an excuse why (based on gut feelings, I guess) 
> > > > > > of "protests and pandemic". Not that they did everything in their power to 
> > > > > > prevent police from doing their jobs, killing moral of the police as well 
> > > > > > as defunding them. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Also this... 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > "“No outsiders allowed,” McDade-Davis said. “On 
> > > > > > one hand, residents stood up for themselves and banded together by 
> > > > > > blocking off access to a memorial dedicated to Floyd’s legacy. 
> > > > > > However, the neighborhood has become ripe for stickups.” 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Amazing that an area that isn`t policed is ripe for stickups. ajohnstone`s "community policing" in action. 
> > > > > > > > It's estimated that over $115 billion is spent on policing nationwide 
> > > > > > > We need to spend more. 
> > > > > > How much of that is overtime for this political "unrest"? I remember a 
> > > > > > few weeks after the Boston Marathon bombing we had an annual bike race 
> > > > > > event, and the police presence was off the hook because of what happened 
> > > > > > in Boston. Likely tens of millions of dollars in increased security across 
> > > > > > the country because of the actions of two scumbags, probably still to this 
> > > > > > day. 
> > > > > > > > every year. In 2019, NYC allocated $6 billion to its police department 
> > > > > > > > — a budget that exceeded more than that of the health department, 
> > > > > > > > homeless services, youth and community development, and workforce 
> > > > > > > > development combined. 
> > > > > > > Spend more. 
> > > > > > > In Minneapolis, 35 percent of the city budget is 
> > > > > > > > for police. 
> > > > > > > Spend more. 
> > > > > > > Oakland, Calif. $242.5 million policing costs. over 40% of the 
> > > > > > > > total city's spending. 
> > > > > > > Spend more. 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > The evidence that promoting community support services reduces crime is 
> > > > > > > > set out in this analysis 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > https://journals.sagepub.com/eprint/VThwp5JSFz7eNKF5GkxW/full 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > The very same poll you quote also reflects the lack of trust in the 
> > > > > > > > policing of African American communities. 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > "...Fewer than one in five Black Americans feel very confident that the 
> > > > > > > > police in their area would treat them with courtesy and respect [compared 
> > > > > > > > to over half of white Americans]...When factoring in those who are at 
> > > > > > > > least somewhat confident that the police would treat them well, a majority 
> > > > > > > > of Black Americans (61%) are generally confident, but this is still below 
> > > > > > > > ...91% of White Americans..." 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > That is one big gap. 
> > > > > > > Then stop teaching black kids in school to distrust the police. Stop 
> > > > > > > promoting welfare programs that reward fatherless homes. Stop teaching 
> > > > > > > kids here that they live in the most racist society in history, when they 
> > > > > > > live in the EXACT opposite. Stop trying to raise the minimum wage which 
> > > > > > > cuts out inner city teens from job opportunities and kills entry level 
> > > > > > > jobs. 
> > > > > > Never happen, the Democrats benefit politically by having an angry black 
> > > > > > segment of society. They have no interest in actually saying what the 
> > > > > > problems are, let alone trying to solve them, the status quo is fine with 
> > > > > > them. 
> > > > > Democrats depend on maintaining a permanent underclass because they can 
> > > > > count on getting 90% of that vote. Their worst fear is that some of their 
> > > > > programs might actually work and lift those people out of poverty. That 
> > > > > would make them more likely to vote Republican. I don't think they really 
> > > > > need to worry about any of their programs working. It seems highly 
> > > > > unlikely. 
> > > > Incredible. You really believe this? What an astounding load of 
> > > > gobbledybgook. While the D's, like the R's, certainly have far to much 
> > > > appreciation vs those who give them their bribes, the G's are far worse. 
> > > > At least the D's try, the GOP are swindling the American working class 
> > > > into believing they are their voters, their folks. Which is almost 
> > > > likeable to Trumps Big Lie. The GOP pushed through 2 trillions in tax cuts 
> > > > for the top 1%, while they all voted aginst Bidens Covid relief. Now 
> > > > that's a party that supports the American working class, right? 
> > > Now the Biden administration wants to pay for the stimulus by raising 
> > > taxes. Great idea. Hand out "free" money and then take more of people's 
> > > money through taxes. Is this a great country, or what? 
> > > 
> > > Government cannot create wealth. If it could, why hand out just a measly 
> > > $1400. Why not give everybody a million? Government can only give the 
> > > people what it has first taken from them. 


> > They used to say "Robbing Peter to pay Paul". This is robbing Paul to 
> > pay Paul.

There's the old adage: "When robbing Peter, you can always count on the 
support of Paul."


> In this particular case, it actually is robbing Peter to pay Paul. Not 
> everyone is getting "free money". Only those below a certain income level 
> will. Not everyone is going to get their taxes raised. Biden said during 
> the campaign that he would not raise taxes on anyone making less than 
> $400K. We know what campaign promises are worth but let's say he actually 
> holds to that. That means the people who are going to get their taxes 
> raised are the same people who didn't get the "free money". It thus 
> becomes just a wealth redistribution scam. Sadly, the people who benefit 
> from this have no conscience about this legalized thievery. If you or I 
> were to rob a rich person at gunpoint and give the money to a poor person, 
> we would go to jail. But somehow it becomes OK for the government to do 
> it. 
> 
> People also fail to realize when this legalized thievery takes place it 
> becomes a drag on the economy. When the people with the capital get 
> overtaxed, they are less apt to invest in growth. Our economy stagnated 
> from the last few years of the Bush administration through all eight years 
> of the Obama administration. When Trump pushed through his tax cuts, the 
> economy exploded with both job and wage growth not seen in decades. As JFK 
> observed, a rising tide raises all boats. The Democrats would rather pit 
> one class against another. They have convinced low information voters that 
> they can only get ahead if we sock it to the wealthy.