Re: Marjorie Taylor Greene "likes" the Mossad-did-it Theory

On Monday, April 5, 2021 at 6:40:10 PM UTC-5, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
> On Sunday, April 4, 2021 at 4:55:45 PM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote:=
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> > On Saturday, April 3, 2021 at 9:38:11 PM UTC-5, John McAdams wrote:=20
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> > > >Does prohibiting the mailing of unsolicited absentee ballots facilit=
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> > > >voting security? No! It'll cause less people to be to vote.=20
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> > > Of course a bunch of unsolicited ballots out there encourages fraud.=
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> > Nine states routinely send out ballots to all registered voters - even=
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> > before the 2020 election. It has become one of the primary ways of voti=
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> > in Colorado. Has there been any widespread fraud in these nine states? =

No!

> Team Hillary spent four years claiming there was widespread fraud in the=
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> 2016 election. As far as I know Team Hillary didn't exclude the nine=20
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> of these nine states. I doubt every voter was getting ballots mailed to=
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> their home in 2016, no restrictions.

Every registered voter in Colorado gets a ballot mailed to them provided 
the state has their correct address. That's just a fact. Why do you doubt 
that?

I don't recall the Clinton camp claiming there was voting fraud in the 
2016 election. I think you're conflating that with the claim that the 
Trump campaign was willingly accepting help from a hostile foreign nation 
- Russia! - actually, SOLICITING for it! In fact, multiple intelligence 
agencies DID confirm that Russia was on a very aggressive internet 
campaign to denigrate Hillary Clinton and help both Bernie Sanders and 
Donald Trump. The Mueller Report confirmed that meddling. There was no 
claim of voter fraud. It was the manipulation of voter sentiment - which 
is not nearly the same thing.

In fact, as far as systematic voting fraud, in recent history the 
Republicans have been guilty of this.

> > When President Trump put together a commission to investigate voter fra=
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> > after the 2016 election - did they find any? No!
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> election to Trump? I remember an impeachment or something...
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> > Was there any widespread fraud in this last election? No evidence of it=
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> > whatsoever.

> Define fraud.

Define fraud? I assume you mean VOTER fraud. Seriously?

Well, I guess there a different kinds of voter fraud. Off the top of my 
head ...
1) Voting when you're not authorized to vote. Many states prohibit felons 
to vote, for instance. A non-citizen cannot vote.
2) Casting a vote for an individual who is dead.
3) Casting a vote under a fake name for a person who does not exist.
4) And then there's attempting to vote twice - which Trump actually 
encouraged his supporters to do; ostensibly, to make sure their vote was 
counted and to "test the system."

I'm sure there are other types of voter fraud. Add more if you can think 
of them. These things probably always happen in every election. Some are 
caught and, I imagine, some are not. But there has never been evidence of 
a WIDESPREAD effort fraud to commit fraud. It's always been isolated.

I mentioned that Trump had authorized a commission to investigate voter 
fraud and the results of that commission was ZIP. Your response to that 
was "Define fraud." Huh?

> > Let's face it, what happened is that Trump encouraged his voters to vot=
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> > in person (part of his COVID denialism)
> He never "denied" COVID. If Biden can vote in person, why not a healthy=
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> guy like David Emerling?

Trump continually played down the severity of the corona virus and 
denigrated those who wore masks and criticized states for taking action to 
curtail the virus. He would prohibit some of his doctors from speaking 
publicly. He wouldn't follow the advice of his doctors. In Trump's own 
words to Bob Woodward, he understood the severity of the virus the whole 
time but wanted to play it down.

> Vote in person on election day and show an ID. Period.

Even during the worst pandemic in 100 years that has already killed well 
over half-a-million people? Yes, excellent idea! Crowds of people should 
all go to a building.

What would you accept as an ID?

A driver's license? What if they don't have a driver's license?

A passport? What if they don't have a passport?

A military ID? What if they're not in the military?

A birth certificate? How many people have lost or don't have access to 
their birth certificate? Plenty! There's no photo on a birth certificate 
so it would seem pretty easy to create a fraudulent birth certificate.

A social security card? There is no photo on it.

A library card? Your Blockbuster rental card? Costco membership card?

Perhaps a utility bill for your place of residence? But is that really an 
ID?

As silly as this may seem to you, this is actually difficult for many 
people - especially those of low-income, maybe even homeless.

David Emerling
Memphis, TN