Re: Glenn V. Fell for Lies About Georgia Voting Law

On Thursday, April 8, 2021 at 10:03:03 AM UTC-4, Glenn V. wrote:
> On Thursday, April 8, 2021 at 3:10:55 AM UTC+2, Bud wrote:=20
> > On Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 3:26:21 PM UTC-4, Glenn V. wrote:=20
> > > On Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 5:03:29 AM UTC+2, Bud wrote:=20
> > > > On Tuesday, April 6, 2021 at 3:40:38 PM UTC-4, Glenn V. wrote:=20
> > > > > On Saturday, April 3, 2021 at 2:14:24 AM UTC+2, John McAdams wrot=
e:=20
> > > > > > https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/03/30/biden-falsel=
y-claims-new-georgia-law-ends-voting-hours-early/=20
> > > > > >=20
> > > > > > .John=20
> > > > > > -------------------------------=20
> > > > > > http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm=20
> > > > > The only one who's got suckered into anything is you, John. Read =
up on=20
> > > > > exactly what is in that bill in Georgia. Try to understand, for e=
xample,=20
> > > > > what it means that Raffenspergers office is taken out of the proc=
ess and=20
> > > > > pay attention to how it will be done in the future.=20
> > > > Make your arguments, stop alluding to things you don`t show.=20
> > > > > Btw, what Trump said about Charlottesville was of course directed=
 to the=20
> > > > > same people he declared he "loved", on January 6th. The white=20
> > > > > supremacists; the Proud Boys and the rest of the insurrectionists=
 at the=20
> > > > > Capitolium. As you well know, some of those he earlier had told t=
o "stand=20
> > > > > down, stand by". They know exactly how to read Trump - and Trump =
knows=20
> > > > > exactly how to address them. You should stop playing games about =
this.=20
> > > > You should stop pretending that these fringe groups represent the c=
ore=20
> > > > of Trump`s support.=20
> > > > > No GOP representative of Congress has yet answered why 360 bills =
are now=20
> > > > > being introduced by the GOP around the US,=20
> > > > I can. Millions of Americans have expressed the idea that they aren=
`t=20
> > > > confident that the election was conducted fairly.=20
> > > >=20
> > > > https://americasfreedomfighters.com/bombshell-new-poll/=20
> > > > >after an election where no=20
> > > > > voter fraud happened anywhere, of any scale whatsoever.=20
> > > > There has never been a political election in this country of any si=
ze=20
> > > > where there was no voter fraud.=20
> > > > > No fraud, no=20
> > > > > irregularities, no matter how many times you repeat those lies.=
=20
> > > > The whole election was irregular.=20
> > > > > Btw, John=20
> > > > > are you defending the Big Lie? You know, the one that says the el=
ection=20
> > > > > "was stolen"?=20
> > > > >=20
> > > > > You know, the one that separates authoritarians and fascists from=
 true=20
> > > > > democrats? Do you, or anyone else here support the Big Lie? The o=
ne, also,=20
> > > > > that so many scared GOP members of Congress support? Those scared=
 of=20
> > > > > Donald Trump - who doesn't give a damn about democracy?=20
> > > > Good to see you on board with democracy. Since the Georgia Voting B=
ill=20
> > > > was the product of democracy you should have no complaints.=20
> > > > > But there are indeed quite a few ex-GOP conservatives, true defen=
ders of=20
> > > > > democracy, who have spoken out about what is going on in the US.=
=20
> > > > >=20
> > > > > Max Boot, just yesterday:=20
> > > > Who?=20
> > > > > "In Georgia, Delta Air Lines issued a statement opposing a packag=
e of=20
> > > > > voting rules that, among other things, imposes new barriers to vo=
ting by=20
> > > > > mail, eliminates mobile voting centers, puts a cap on the number =
of drop=20
> > > > > boxes and shortens the time to return absentee ballots.=20
> > > > Has it been shown that any of these things cause undue hardship?=20
> > > >=20
> > > > Interesting that the left will soon be trying to implement somethin=
g=20
> > > > where you have to show you`ve been vaccinated to do certain things =
(like=20
> > > > get on Delta planes). You will have to show something in order to b=
oard a=20
> > > > plane, but they don`t want anyone to have to show something to vote=
.=20
> > > > > Republicans=20
> > > > > retaliated. Now, when businesses oppose those efforts and exercis=
e their=20
> > > > > First Amendment rights, which Republicans ordinarily consider=20
> > > > > =E2=80=9Cfundamental=E2=80=9D and worthy of protection, they seek=
 to use=20
> > > > > the power of the government to punish those whose speech they dis=
like. It=20
> > > > > seems they do not like the First Amendment any more than the 14th=
 or the=20
> > > > > 15th when it comes to robust access to the ballot for voters they=
 suspect=20
> > > > > will support their opponents. Their march to bully-boy authoritar=
ianism=20
> > > > > continues as they prove once again that they are no friends of=20
> > > > > multiracial, robust democracy."=20
> > > > Left wing groups tried to pressure Coca-Cola to come out against th=
is=20
> > > > bill. Apparently the left is no friend to democracy.=20
> > > > > Yes, those republicans retaliated, for one reason alone. They are=
 all=20
> > > > > scared sh*t of Donald Trump, these cowards.=20
> > > > They are scared of the millions of people who support Trump. As wel=
l=20
> > > > they should be.=20
> > > > > I'm happy to provide these=20
> > > > > lists of ex-GOP republicans, who have all left since they underst=
and what=20
> > > > > an incredibly dangerous path the GOP has entered, since the day t=
hey all=20
> > > > > bowed down to Donald Trumps authoritarian idiocy:=20
> > > > >=20
> > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Never_Trump_movement=20
> > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Republicans_who_opposed_the=
_Donald_Trump_2016_presidential_campaign=20
> > > > >=20
> > > > > Someone summed it up quite brilliant:=20
> > > > >=20
> > > > > "Republicans will be anti-corporate in word, pro-billionaire in d=
eed;=20
> > > > If the Democrats are so anti-billionaire, why are there so many=20
> > > > billionaires working on their behalf? Why does Big Tech act on beha=
lf of=20
> > > > the left? Why is the mainstream media nothing but a propaganda arm =
of the=20
> > > > Democratic Party?=20
> > > > > blue-collar on the airwaves, protective of offshore tax shelters =
in=20
> > > > > practice; the party of law and order=20
> > > > How many police unions came out for Biden?=20
> > > > >- that insists 2020 was stolen."=20
> > > > >=20
> > > > > This time US democracy was saved by the Judiciary.=20
> > > > The Supreme Court refused to hear the case.=20
> > > > > Now it's time for you,=20
> > > > > Bud and the rest to make a choice. Either you continue to walk in=
to the=20
> > > > > future head deep in the past, b*tt first. Or you start defending =
US=20
> > > > > democracy.=20
> > > > All those 360 GOP bills you mentioned are part of the democratic=20
> > > > process. Why are you so anti-democratic?=20
> > > > >Not a right/left question. No joke. Not a=20
> > > > > petty-winning-arguments-in-a-debate thing.=20
> > > > >=20
> > > > > It's a question of saving US democracy.=20
> > > > It was a question of saving America. The question has been answered=
 (for=20
> > > > now), America is not to be saved, it is to be reshaped into a lefti=
sts=20
> > > > vision that is doomed to fail.=20
> > > > >Pretty soon it just might be too=20
> > > > > late.=20
> > > Thanks, Bud.=20
> > >=20
> > > Thanks for signing off on what to me was clear long ago. You don't gi=
ve=20
> > > a shit about democracy, which really was never that hard to figure ou=
t.=20
> > Weren`t you the one fretting about Republicans introducing voting bills=
?=20
> > That`s democracy in action.=20
> >=20
> > Leftists don`t give a shit about being hypocritical, and that isn`t ver=
y=20
> > hard to figure out.
> You got that too wrong.=20

  Do I? Do you think the BLM rioters should be labeled "domestic 
terrorists" and hunted down by the state police for their political 
violence? Do you think leftists viewpoints should be silenced like the 
viewpoints of the right are? What the left is doing is straight out of the 
Nazi handbook, yet you have gall to rant about fascism.

>So let me explain it to you.=20

  Please do.

> Even elected officials can certainly do things that are not democratic.

  Let me explain something to you. When the GOP proposes legislation this 
is part of the democratic process. This is democracy in action, even if 
you don`t approve of the proposed measures.

> It=20
> is *not* democratic to suppress voters. It is un-democratic. Democracy=20
> rests on the premise that voters can vote.=20

  This is a begged argument, you haven`t shown that anyone is being 
prevented from voting because of the Georgia law.

> Soon your logics will lead you to protect Hitler, too - who was duly=20
> democratically elected, remember?=20

  A little more complicated than that.

  But you seem to be flip-flopping on this whole democracy thing.

> Was this plain enough for you to understand?

  I understand you fully. You are a leftist and that necessarily means you 
are a hypocrite.