Re: Marjorie Taylor Greene "likes" the Mossad-did-it Theory

On Thursday, April 8, 2021 at 4:09:00 PM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote:
> On Monday, April 5, 2021 at 6:40:10 PM UTC-5, Chuck Schuyler wrote:=20
> > On Sunday, April 4, 2021 at 4:55:45 PM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote=
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> > > On Saturday, April 3, 2021 at 9:38:11 PM UTC-5, John McAdams wrote:=
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> > > > >Does prohibiting the mailing of unsolicited absentee ballots facil=
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> > > > >voting security? No! It'll cause less people to be to vote.=20
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> > > > Of course a bunch of unsolicited ballots out there encourages fraud=
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> > > Nine states routinely send out ballots to all registered voters - eve=
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> > > before the 2020 election. It has become one of the primary ways of vo=
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> > > in Colorado. Has there been any widespread fraud in these nine states=
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> No!=20
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> > Team Hillary spent four years claiming there was widespread fraud in th=
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> > 2016 election. As far as I know Team Hillary didn't exclude the nine=20
> > states you are referring to. And we'd need to see the restrictions in e=
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> > of these nine states. I doubt every voter was getting ballots mailed to=
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> > their home in 2016, no restrictions.

> Every registered voter in Colorado gets a ballot mailed to them provided=
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> the state has their correct address. That's just a fact. Why do you doubt=
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> that?=20

I don't doubt it. My understanding is that there are strict laws about 
signing the ballot and signature verification.

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> I don't recall the Clinton camp claiming there was voting fraud in the=20
> 2016 election.

Really? She was claiming the election was not on the level as late as 
October of 2020:

https://www.yahoo.com/now/hillary-clinton-maintains-2016-election-160716779=
.html


 I think you're conflating that with the claim that the=20
> Trump campaign was willingly accepting help from a hostile foreign nation=
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> - Russia! - actually, SOLICITING for it! In fact, multiple intelligence=
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> agencies DID confirm that Russia was on a very aggressive internet=20
> campaign to denigrate Hillary Clinton and help both Bernie Sanders and=20
> Donald Trump. The Mueller Report confirmed that meddling. There was no=20
> claim of voter fraud. It was the manipulation of voter sentiment - which=
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> is not nearly the same thing.=20

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/03/24/breaking-news-barr-to-release-summary-of-mueller-report-1233771

=E2=80=9CThe investigation did not establish that members of the Trump 
Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its 
election interference activities,=E2=80=9D the special counsel wrote in 
his findings, which Attorney General William Barr released on Sunday in 
four-page summary form.



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> In fact, as far as systematic voting fraud, in recent history the=20
> Republicans have been guilty of this.

I thought you said there is no widespread voter fraud.

> > > When President Trump put together a commission to investigate voter f=
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> > > after the 2016 election - did they find any? No!=20
> > Didn't you guys claim there was Russian collusion to swing the 2016=20
> > election to Trump? I remember an impeachment or something...=20
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> > > Was there any widespread fraud in this last election? No evidence of =
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> > > whatsoever.=20
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> > Define fraud.

> Define fraud? I assume you mean VOTER fraud. Seriously?=20
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> Well, I guess there a different kinds of voter fraud. Off the top of my=
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> 1) Voting when you're not authorized to vote.=20

Happens all the time. Dead people vote in Chicago. I presume the dead are 
not casting the votes.


Many states prohibit felons=20
> to vote, for instance. A non-citizen cannot vote.=20

Cannot LEGALLY vote. Yet. It's not like Dems aren't floating the idea to 
LEGALLY allow non-citizens the right to vote.

https://www.sacbee.com/opinion/california-forum/article165368987.html


> 2) Casting a vote for an individual who is dead.=20

You can if you write it in.

> 3) Casting a vote under a fake name for a person who does not exist.=20
> 4) And then there's attempting to vote twice - which Trump actually=20
> encouraged his supporters to do; ostensibly, to make sure their vote was=
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> counted and to "test the system."=20

That's a half-truth as I understood it. The idea was to show up at the 
polls to see if your early vote had already been counted, your name 
stricken off the rolls for that cycle, not to vote TWICE, not to commit 
voter FRAUD. The idea as mouthed by Trump was done off the cuff with his 
frequent flair for verbal awkwardness. And Georgia apparently as recently 
as September had identified 1,000 voters who'd voted twice in the 
primaries.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/08/us/politics/georgia-double-voting.html

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> I'm sure there are other types of voter fraud. Add more if you can think=
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> of them.=20

Mailing out ballots to everyone without requiring photo ID, not purging 
voter rolls, not cross-checking signatures, not allowing Republican poll 
watchers the right to inspect ballots being counted, etc.

Does Twitter shutting down the NY Post's story on Hunter Biden's laptop in 
the days before the election count as a sort of voter fraud? One 
post-election poll found that up to 4.6% of Biden voters would've changed 
their votes, had they known of a story buried by Twitter and not covered 
by CBS, ABC, MSNBC, etc.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/media-s-hiding-of-hunter-biden-scan=
dal-robbed-trump-of-clear-win-poll/ar-BB1aZGcF


These things probably always happen in every election. Some are=20
> caught and, I imagine, some are not. But there has never been evidence of=
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> a WIDESPREAD effort fraud to commit fraud. It's always been isolated.=20

Not true. Voter fraud in the 1876 POTUS election was so widespread that 
the election actually was decided by a COMMISSION and the US Supreme 
Court. There was no winner until two days before the inauguration! 101 
percent of "eligible" South Carolina voters voted!

https://www.rbhayes.org/hayes/disputed-election-of-1876/

But why is WIDESPREAD fraud the standard when these elections are so damn 
close? Do we really know who won the 2008 Senate race in Minnesota? 
Coleman was up on Franken, and the Dems went to work with their absentee 
ballots and found a way to win it for Al Franken.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_United_States_Senate_election_in_Minneso=
ta

It's accepted that Mayor Daley in Chicago swung Illinois to JFK in 1960. I 
grew up in Chicago, and election fraud is so widespread that there are 
usually dozens of local races that are unopposed by Republicans. It's an 
ongoing, open joke. And like Glenn, don't you believe 2016 was a 
fraudulent election involving Trump and Russian collusion? You guys were 
claiming this right up to the eve of the 2020 election and amazingly, 
literally hours after the 2020 election, you guys were claiming that the 
2020 election was the cleanest of all-time and that anyone not towing that 
line was unpatriotic, their social media posts subject to being taken down 
by the tech giants. Weird.

NYC's Tammany Hall was synonymous with election fraud. In 1844 in a NYC 
election, 55,000 votes were recorded even though there were only 41,000 
eligible voters. In the recent years, there have been over 1,100 
CONVICTIONS for voter fraud, probably the tip of the problem.

https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud

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> I mentioned that Trump had authorized a commission to investigate voter=
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> fraud and the results of that commission was ZIP. Your response to that=
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> was "Define fraud." Huh?
> > > Let's face it, what happened is that Trump encouraged his voters to v=
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> > > in person (part of his COVID denialism)=20
> > He never "denied" COVID. If Biden can vote in person, why not a healthy=
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> > guy like David Emerling?
> Trump continually played down the severity of the corona virus and=20
> denigrated those who wore masks and criticized states for taking action t=
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> curtail the virus. He would prohibit some of his doctors from speaking=20
> publicly. He wouldn't follow the advice of his doctors. In Trump's own=20
> words to Bob Woodward, he understood the severity of the virus the whole=
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> time but wanted to play it down.

You didn't answer the question. If Biden can vote in person, why not you 
or I?

> > Vote in person on election day and show an ID. Period.

> Even during the worst pandemic in 100 years that has already killed well=
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> over half-a-million people? Yes, excellent idea! Crowds of people should=
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> all go to a building.=20

Crowds of people DID go to a building and vote in person, David.

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> What would you accept as an ID?=20
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> A driver's license? What if they don't have a driver's license?=20
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> A passport? What if they don't have a passport?=20
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> A military ID? What if they're not in the military?=20
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> A birth certificate? How many people have lost or don't have access to=20
> their birth certificate? Plenty! There's no photo on a birth certificate=
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> so it would seem pretty easy to create a fraudulent birth certificate.=20
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> A social security card? There is no photo on it.=20
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> A library card? Your Blockbuster rental card? Costco membership card?=20
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> Perhaps a utility bill for your place of residence? But is that really an=
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> ID?=20
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> As silly as this may seem to you, this is actually difficult for many=20
> people - especially those of low-income, maybe even homeless.=20

Silly. Literally every adult person in the US has a valid state ID or 
passport or driver's license. Literally. Every. Person.

You just don't like the idea of people showing they are who they are when 
they vote. Because you'd lose elections. It's why Pelosi and gang are 
trying to take elections away from state legislatures and federalize them. 
They see a chance to lock-in permanent majorities by undercutting 
individual states tightening up election loopholes and supplanting state 
control over elections with one set of federal rules.

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> David Emerling=20
> Memphis, TN