Re: Did the Davises see anyone (other than Mrs. Markham)?

On Monday, April 12, 2021 at 9:44:33 PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
> On Monday, April 12, 2021 at 4:14:05 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote: 
> > On Sunday, April 11, 2021 at 5:38:11 PM UTC-7, Bud wrote: 
> > > On Sunday, April 11, 2021 at 9:49:47 AM UTC-4, donald willis wrote: 
> > > > On Friday, April 9, 2021 at 5:31:05 PM UTC-7, Bud wrote: 
> > > > > On Friday, April 9, 2021 at 6:13:22 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote: 
> > > > > > On Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 6:11:28 PM UTC-7, Bud wrote: 
> > > > > > > On Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 3:26:16 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote: 
> > > > > > > > On Tuesday, April 6, 2021 at 8:03:11 PM UTC-7, Bud wrote: 
> > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, April 6, 2021 at 3:40:29 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote: 
> > > > > > > > > > On Friday, April 2, 2021 at 5:14:15 PM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote: 
> > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, April 2, 2021 at 3:47:27 PM UTC-4, CUT 
> > > > > > > > > > > > Try again. You start with a false, or at best half-true, premise: 
> > > > > > > > > > > > "Oswald dumped the shells in the bushes". Well, one shell, supposedly. 
> > > > > > > > > > > > Quarter-true. And Benavides says another "by the bush". But the Davises 
> > > > > > > > > > > > testified that the two shells that THEY found were on the side yard, under 
> > > > > > > > > > > > a window and near the side walkway. NOT in or near those bushes. And you 
> > > > > > > > > > > > accuse ME of cherry picking! 
> > > > > > > > > > > Now you are just nitpicking because you have nothing of substance to 
> > > > > > > > > > > present. The important thing is that Oswald was seen dumping shells from 
> > > > > > > > > > > his revolver 
> > > > > > > > > > Like I said, LNs find it very hard to admit when they're wrong, as Corbett 
> > > > > > > > > > here was with his Oswald dumped all the shells in the bushes. If he can't 
> > > > > > > > > > get the details right, it makes you wonder about his Big Picture.... 
> > > > > > > > > The big picture is the shells being found in that area makes it 
> > > > > > > > > impossible that an automatic was used to kill Tippit. 
> > > > > > > > "That area"? What area? 
> > > > > > > That corner of the house. 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > That is why it is easy to determine a revolver and not an automatic was 
> > > > > > > used. Has an automatic been used the shells would have been found 40-50 
> > > > > > > feet away towards the front of Tippit`s patrol car. 
> > > > > > > >We were talking about shells the Davises found 
> > > > > > > > around the bushes. 
> > > > > > > Yes, the bushes are at that corner of the house. The bushes Scoggins saw 
> > > > > > > Oswald come through. 
> > > > > > > > Or Corbett's 3/4 false "Oswald dumped the shells in the 
> > > > > > > > bushes". 
> > > > > > > That vicinity. 
> > > > > > The side of the house under the window & the grass near the side walkway 
> > > > > > are NOT in the vicinity of the bushes. 
> > > > > When Barbara Davis was asked where she saw Oswald emptying the gun, she 
> > > > > said not quite to the bushes. 
> > > > That's not quite what she said. 
> > > It is exactly what she said. 
> > > 
> > > "Mr. BALL. In other words, there is a cross you make across the line 
> > > that he took which marks the place where he was emptying the gun. 
> > > 
> > > Mrs. DAVIS. Just about halfway there. 
> > > 
> > > Mr. BALL. Mark it also on 21, 534. 
> > > 
> > > Mrs. DAVIS. Not quite half, not quite to the bushes there." 
> > Okay, I misread that. Ball said "emptying". I was thinking "dropping 
> > shells on the ground". Barbara D did not testify that the suspect was 
> > "dropping" shells in the front yard.
> She didn`t say she physically saw shells fall, only the action of 
> unloading. She found a shell near the area she saw him unloading, so the 
> inference can be made. They weren`t found where they would have been had 
> an automatic been used to kill Tippit so that idea is completely 
> discredited.
> > > 
> > > "...not quite to the bushes there" 
> > > >That was more counsel Ball than Barbara 
> > > > D.: 
> > > Stop making things up. 
> > > > Ball: "Did you later look in the bushes & find something?? 
> > > > Davis: "Yes, IN THE GRASS BESIDE THE HOUSE." 
> > > That area is the side of the house. 
> > > > Note that, although she said, Yes, she did not even use the word "bushes". 
> > > She had earlier. 
> > > 
> > > The bushes, the window and the grass beside the house are all the same 
> > > small area in that corner of the house. 
> > The window below which a shell was found was on the SIDE of the house.
> No. The area she is talking about is that side of the house from the 
> front door. She marked which window. 
> 
> The problem is that there wasn`t a good photo of that area to work from. 
> They said as much when questioning Barbara Davis... 
> 
> Mrs. DAVIS. I was standing on the porch. 
> Mr. BALL. Put an "X" there. 
> Mrs. DAVIS. I can't see the porch. The door is right between these two 
> things here. 
> Mr. BALL. These two things--what do you mean? 
> Mrs. DAVIS. Between the two posts. 
> Mr. BALL. Two posts? 
> Mrs. DAVIS. Yes. 
> Mr. BALL. Let's get a better view. 
> Mr. DULLES. It seems to be the best. 
> Mr. BALL. You are right.
> > > https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=11029#relPageId=34 
> > > 
> > > It is where she saw Oswald cut across the lawn while removing the spent 
> > > shells from his handgun. The reason he shells were empty is because the 
> > > slugs were in Tippit`s body. Perhaps if you spend a few more decades 
> > > studying this case you might be able to figure out the simple basic facts 
> > > about what occurred. I`m not optimistic, either in the time span or the 
> > > capability. 
> > > > Trust more in her "under the window", which window was not near the 
> > > > bushes. 
> > > She marked which window in the photo. It is the one that overlooks the 
> > > bushes. 
> > > 
> > I don't see that mark.
> Look again, it is in CE532... 

CE532 is the top photo on the page, the photo from the inside of the car.
 
 
> 
> https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1134#relPageId=260 
> 
> You see the car to the left? You see the rear windshield of that car? 
> Look up from there. Another way to find it is there are 5 sets of posts 
> holding up the porch roof, the arrow is between the second and third post. 
> 
> You can slide the view using the bar at the bottom. The line across the 
> law is the route she saw Oswald walk, the x is where she saw him emptying 
> the gun of the shells he killed Tippit with. 

That looks and sounds ike a description of the bottom photo on the page, 
CE534.


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> > dcw