Re: School stories

On 4/4/26 04:50, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2026-04-04 09:52, Nuno Silva wrote:
>> (Maybe this one needs to be narrowed to less groups, or sent to 
>> alt.unix.geeks?)
>>
>> On 2026-04-04, Steve Hayes wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 3 Apr 2026 18:00:06 +0100, Janet <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article <[email protected]>,
>>>> [email protected] says...
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2 Apr 2026 19:33:18 GMT, rbowman <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, 02 Apr 2026 05:33:56 +0200, Steve Hayes wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Both Kipling and Lewis wrote about Edwardian English public schools.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lewis also mentioned schools in his fiction, most notably in "The 
>>>>>>> Silver
>>>>>>> Chair", where he describes authoritarianism in what was ostensibly a
>>>>>>> libertarian school.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kipling wrote about the hazing of the younger students by the 
>>>>>> older ones.
>>>>>> In 'Surprised by Joy' Lewis strongly hints there was a sexual 
>>>>>> element.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lewis doesn't merely hint. He says quite clearly that there was sexual
>>>>> exploitation at the school he attended. There were not merely
>>>>> adolescent crushes, but there was systemic exploitation as well.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>    I'd be surprised if Kilpling used the term hazing,  or was referring
>>>> to that American activity.  He was probably talking about  the
>>>> different British custom fagging
>>>>
>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fagging
>>>
>>> I have only a vague idea of what "hazing" is, and assumed it meant
>>> something like what was euphemistically called "fresher orientation"
>>> at one of the universities I attended, in which new students were
>>> humiliated in various ways to make them understand that they were
>>> lower than shark shit.
>>
>> It's sad that some people do think such orientation has to come with
>> "hazing". It's perfectly possible to have a community and activities for
>> orientation and integration purposes without harassment or
>> humiliation. Yet some, seeing it with milder harassment, will assume
>> it's good because it can be less strong...
> 
> When I was at Uni in Madrid, at the Uni itself there was none. The 
> studies were terrifying, no need to add more pain.
> 
> However, at the halls of residence (DeepL says that is the translation 
> for "Colegio Mayor") it was a different story. At mine it was very mild. 
> At others it was much worse.
> 

	Generally hazing is done to test the Mettle of the new parties and
group hazing build bonds between those who share misery.
	More exclusive hazing for the Franternities and Sororities of which
I have no personal experience builds intensity loyalty supposedly to
te Greek Letter clubs.  In some of the USA's great universities like
Yale and Harvard it builds bonds that are sustained for life as the
members promise to support one another in their business and
political lives.  A very exclusive society, Skull and Bones, has
contributed several presidents and other high officials to the
USA.  Not the worst either since Trump became president.
If he had lost this present term, George Bush of the Iraq War
would hold the title.

	bliss - HS graduate who has been reading a lot since 1955