Re: The unspoken truth about wildfires

On Sun, 2 Aug 2026 12:57:40 -0400, Wilson <[email protected]>
wrote:

>On 8/2/2026 12:31 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
>> On Sun, 2 Aug 2026 12:21:43 -0400, Wilson <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 7/31/2026 6:34 PM, dart200 wrote:
>>>> On 7/31/26 3:11 PM, Tara wrote:
>>>>> dart200 <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/31/26 1:28 PM, Tara wrote:
>>>>>>> On Jul 31, 2026 at 4:02:41?PM EDT, "Tara" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jul 31, 2026 at 3:46:18?PM EDT, "dart200"
>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 7/31/26 12:35 PM, Tara wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 31, 2026 at 3:11:12?PM EDT, "dart200"
>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/31/26 11:25 AM, Julian wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 31/07/2026 19:06, Tara wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 31, 2026 at 12:40:32?PM EDT, "Wilson"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/30/2026 3:50 PM, Tara wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Julian <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 30/07/2026 19:56, Tara wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 30, 2026 at 2:53:09?PM EDT, "Julian"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 30/07/2026 19:29, Tara wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 30, 2026 at 2:04:17?PM EDT, "Julian"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sadly he was proved right. So was I. After I warned in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very pages
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> last year that government policy was worsening the fire
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> risk on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moorland, it gives me no pleasure to say: ‘I told you so.’
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Matt Ridley
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Indigenous peoples in North America have been conrolling
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> threat of wild
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fires with prescribed/controlled burns for centuries.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Canada is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> looking to do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the same in co-operation with our native people. We have a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> problem doing this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> however because of the acessibility and vastness of our
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> forests.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But in a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> country the size of Britain (and other European
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> countries), it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seems to me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that controlled fires are a no brainer.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are inaccessible fires in vast forests really a problem?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think they're as likely good for the land's long term
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> health.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is that, but an uncontrolled fire can massively grow
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> send a lot of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> smoke to people populated areas.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A bit like a volcano.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah like that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The northeast US is hundreds of miles from the wildfires yet
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we've had
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> serious air quality warnings this year and last. A few weeks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ago it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> literally dimmed the sun for several days, making what was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> otherwise a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clear day look cloudy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.cbsnews.com/news/wildfires-smoke-millions-exposed-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> midwest-northeast-us/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Those pictures are not an exaggeration. That's what it really
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> looked
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Meanwhile the idiot treehuggers think they know what's best.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am an admitted tree hugger but I am also a realist and think
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> one answer
>>>>>>>>>>>>> here is controlled burning. Another is education and strictly
>>>>>>>>>>>>> enforced
>>>>>>>>>>>>> laws
>>>>>>>>>>>>> against those who are careless and start fires through
>>>>>>>>>>>>> laziness and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ignorance,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> clearing vegetation around and near dwellings and building
>>>>>>>>>>>>> fire resistent
>>>>>>>>>>>>> homes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> That would probably be more effective than increasing the price
>>>>>>>>>>>> of petrol, gas and electricity for already stretched workers.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> jooliean you truly are a useless fucking retard. this ofc isn't
>>>>>>>>>>> written
>>>>>>>>>>> for u cause ur determined to take ur damned ignorance to the
>>>>>>>>>>> grave, but
>>>>>>>>>>> for the record:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> not only are boreal forest are far too vast to effectively mitigate
>>>>>>>>>>> increased risk from climate change, meaning we haven't even been
>>>>>>>>>>> engaging in serious fire suppression for the much of forest so
>>>>>>>>>>> that's
>>>>>>>>>>> _not_ the cause like cons desperate wants to believe; just
>>>>>>>>>>> controlled
>>>>>>>>>>> burns don't even effectively mitigate risk as the ecology of a
>>>>>>>>>>> boreal
>>>>>>>>>>> forest is different than a temperate one, so it requires fuel
>>>>>>>>>>> management
>>>>>>>>>>> strategies that are far more labor intensive
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ummm. if you care to look back a bit, the problem with boreal
>>>>>>>>>> forests (in
>>>>>>>>>> Canada) has already been addressed.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> why are you such a dumb fucking liar tara???
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> all u discussed was the size of the forest, u did not discuss the
>>>>>>>>> fact
>>>>>>>>> the conventional controlled burns do not effectively mitigate fire
>>>>>>>>> risk
>>>>>>>>> in boreal forests, nor the increased costs of the various techniques
>>>>>>>>> that must be employed instead
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> and you still haven't even after i've pointed it out in several
>>>>>>>>> posts.
>>>>>>>>> clear evidence of refusing to face the facts like a retarded boomer
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Of course we can't do anything about fires in the boreal forest.
>>>>>>> That's a
>>>>>>> given ffs We can only do what we can to protect the boundaries. !!!
>>>>>>> Idiot!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> great so u never mentioned that to joolian or his mindbogglingly stupid
>>>>>> article
>>>>>>
>>>>>> u only admitted it after i pressed for several comments, so i have no
>>>>>> reason to believe u would have ever mentioned it otherwise.
>>>>>
>>>>> Chill. I think I said something to the effect that we have vast forest
>>>>> that
>>>>> we can’t do anything about. Maybe not but I don’t understand why
>>>>> you’re so
>>>>> on about it. Pick the battles that matter. Or maybe just take a break eh
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> the freaking article suggest climate change is not a cause of wildfire
>>>> implying it's largely a problem of mismanagement and suppression...
>>>>
>>>> completely ignoring that boreal forests, where the largest increase in
>>>> risk is seen, are largely not managed anyways due to not only the sheer
>>>> size but also the fact that managing fuel costs ~10x that of temperate
>>>> forest. normal controlled burns aren't an option cause the risks are
>>>> just different.
>>> I think the expectation is a warming climate will be dryer and that will
>>> increase wildfires.
>>>
>>> Satellite data only goes back to the 1980s. But there's solid scientific
>>> evidence based on fire scar date from tree rings on old growth trees and
>>> studies of sediment data that shows reconstructed wildfire history over
>>> thousands of years.
>>>
>>> That evidence indicates that during the 20th century in North America
>>> there's been fewer acres burned than in previous periods. They're
>>> calling it a "wildfire drought".
>>>
>>> https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11811286/
>>> https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1112839109
>>> https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3295264/
>>> https://www.researchgate.net/publication/388852965
>> 
>> Strange how you can come up with results that show the exact opposite
>> of accepted research.
>
>That was literally accepted research.

I'm sure you would claim that.  However, the accepted research I know
about does say the opposite.
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