Re: The unspoken truth about wildfires

On 8/2/2026 2:21 PM, dart200 wrote:
> On 8/2/26 1:57 PM, Dude wrote:
>> On 8/2/2026 12:38 PM, Creon wrote:
>>> At Sat, 1 Aug 2026 12:52:40 -0400, Wilson <[email protected]> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 7/31/2026 6:44 PM, Creon wrote:
>>>>> At Fri, 31 Jul 2026 16:20:28 -0400, Wilson <[email protected]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 7/31/2026 2:06 PM, Tara wrote:
>>>>>>> On Jul 31, 2026 at 12:40:32 PM EDT, "Wilson"
>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 7/30/2026 3:50 PM, Tara wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Julian <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 30/07/2026 19:56, Tara wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 30, 2026 at 2:53:09 PM EDT, "Julian"
>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 30/07/2026 19:29, Tara wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 30, 2026 at 2:04:17 PM EDT, "Julian"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sadly he was proved right. So was I. After I warned in these
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very pages last year that government policy was worsening
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the fire risk on moorland, it gives me no pleasure to say:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ‘I told you so.’
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Matt Ridley
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Indigenous peoples in North America have been conrolling the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> threat of wild fires with prescribed/controlled burns for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> centuries. Canada is looking to do the same in co-operation
>>>>>>>>>>>>> with our native people. We have a problem doing this however
>>>>>>>>>>>>> because of the acessibility and vastness of our forests. But
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in a country the size of Britain (and other European
>>>>>>>>>>>>> countries), it seems to me that controlled fires are a no
>>>>>>>>>>>>> brainer.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Are inaccessible fires in vast forests really a problem?
>>>>>>>>>>>> I think they're as likely good for the land's long term health.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> There is that, but an uncontrolled fire can massively grow and
>>>>>>>>>>> send a lot of smoke to people populated areas.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> A bit like a volcano.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yeah like that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The northeast US is hundreds of miles from the wildfires yet we've
>>>>>>>> had serious air quality warnings this year and last. A few weeks
>>>>>>>> ago it literally dimmed the sun for several days, making what was
>>>>>>>> otherwise a clear day look cloudy.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.cbsnews.com/news/wildfires-smoke-millions-exposed- 
>>>>>>>> midwest-northeast-us/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Those pictures are not an exaggeration. That's what it really
>>>>>>>> looked like.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Meanwhile the idiot treehuggers think they know what's best.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am an admitted tree hugger but I am also a realist and think that
>>>>>>> one answer here is controlled burning. Another is education and
>>>>>>> strictly enforced laws against those who are careless and start
>>>>>>> fires through laziness and ignorance, clearing vegetation around
>>>>>>> and near dwellings and building fire resistent homes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes I agree. The funny thing is, the idiot treehuggers I'm talking
>>>>>> about are killing more trees by not allowing beneficial things like
>>>>>> controlled burns.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not true.
>>>>>
>>>>> You seem to be living about four decades behind, Sir.
>>>>
>>>> Because you say so?
>>>>
>>>> Who's stopping the controlled burns and brush clearing in California?
>>>> It's not the foresters.
>>>
>>> I see that happening all the time.
>>>
>>> Hell, we just did some of that up the road to clear out the crap
>>> in a greenspace.
>>>
>>> What branch of government is in charge of the USFS?  Who is
>>> in control of the National Forests that cover a good portion
>>> of California?
>>>
>>> (Remember Trump with his "rake the forests"?  What's stopping him?)
>>>
>>> Get with the program, Wilson -- the Native Americans did a better
>>> job of stewarding the land than you and your ilk.
>>>
>> It's not about Wilson or Trump.
>>
>> Apparently, wildfires are getting less frequent worldwide, not more, 
>> as the globe warms.
> 
> apparently ur a fucking idiot dud
>
Lightning causes roughly 10% to 15% of wildfires in the United States, 
but accounts for about 45% to 50% of wildfires in Canada.

Human activity causes approximately 50% (or just under half) of all 
wildfires in Canada, while lightning accounts for the other half.
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> for anyone who doesn't want to be one: global fire trends (in acreage) 
> are completely dominated by tropical savannas and grasslands which are 
> declining in acreage because of land use changes and increased fire 
> suppression along with land use changes...
> 
> this trends does not negate the increasing trend in temperate and 
> especially boreal forest wildfires
> 
Humans cause approximately 84% to 90% of all wildfires in the United 
States, according to data from agencies like the National Interagency 
Fire Center and the U.S. National Park Service.
 >

>>
>> Gov. Gavin Newsom vetoed a bill that would have pushed California 
>> toward more strategic planning to prevent the worst wildfire damage, 
>> saying it would cost too much unbudgeted money.
>>
>> KQED NPR:
>>
>> California Needs a New Approach to Wildfire Planning
>>
>> https://tinyurl.com/4nf4tc94
>>
>> President Trump claims Canadian wildfires are caused by "forest
>> management." YMMV.
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