Re: The unspoken truth about wildfires

On 8/2/26 7:29 PM, Dude wrote:
> On 8/2/2026 2:21 PM, dart200 wrote:
>> On 8/2/26 1:57 PM, Dude wrote:
>>> On 8/2/2026 12:38 PM, Creon wrote:
>>>> At Sat, 1 Aug 2026 12:52:40 -0400, Wilson <[email protected]> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 7/31/2026 6:44 PM, Creon wrote:
>>>>>> At Fri, 31 Jul 2026 16:20:28 -0400, Wilson <[email protected]>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 7/31/2026 2:06 PM, Tara wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Jul 31, 2026 at 12:40:32 PM EDT, "Wilson"
>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 7/30/2026 3:50 PM, Tara wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Julian <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 30/07/2026 19:56, Tara wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 30, 2026 at 2:53:09 PM EDT, "Julian"
>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 30/07/2026 19:29, Tara wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 30, 2026 at 2:04:17 PM EDT, "Julian"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sadly he was proved right. So was I. After I warned in these
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very pages last year that government policy was worsening
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the fire risk on moorland, it gives me no pleasure to say:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ‘I told you so.’
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Matt Ridley
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Indigenous peoples in North America have been conrolling the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> threat of wild fires with prescribed/controlled burns for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> centuries. Canada is looking to do the same in co-operation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with our native people. We have a problem doing this however
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because of the acessibility and vastness of our forests. But
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in a country the size of Britain (and other European
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> countries), it seems to me that controlled fires are a no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> brainer.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are inaccessible fires in vast forests really a problem?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think they're as likely good for the land's long term 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> health.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> There is that, but an uncontrolled fire can massively grow and
>>>>>>>>>>>> send a lot of smoke to people populated areas.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> A bit like a volcano.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yeah like that.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The northeast US is hundreds of miles from the wildfires yet we've
>>>>>>>>> had serious air quality warnings this year and last. A few weeks
>>>>>>>>> ago it literally dimmed the sun for several days, making what was
>>>>>>>>> otherwise a clear day look cloudy.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.cbsnews.com/news/wildfires-smoke-millions-exposed- 
>>>>>>>>> midwest-northeast-us/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Those pictures are not an exaggeration. That's what it really
>>>>>>>>> looked like.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Meanwhile the idiot treehuggers think they know what's best.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am an admitted tree hugger but I am also a realist and think that
>>>>>>>> one answer here is controlled burning. Another is education and
>>>>>>>> strictly enforced laws against those who are careless and start
>>>>>>>> fires through laziness and ignorance, clearing vegetation around
>>>>>>>> and near dwellings and building fire resistent homes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes I agree. The funny thing is, the idiot treehuggers I'm talking
>>>>>>> about are killing more trees by not allowing beneficial things like
>>>>>>> controlled burns.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not true.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You seem to be living about four decades behind, Sir.
>>>>>
>>>>> Because you say so?
>>>>>
>>>>> Who's stopping the controlled burns and brush clearing in California?
>>>>> It's not the foresters.
>>>>
>>>> I see that happening all the time.
>>>>
>>>> Hell, we just did some of that up the road to clear out the crap
>>>> in a greenspace.
>>>>
>>>> What branch of government is in charge of the USFS?  Who is
>>>> in control of the National Forests that cover a good portion
>>>> of California?
>>>>
>>>> (Remember Trump with his "rake the forests"?  What's stopping him?)
>>>>
>>>> Get with the program, Wilson -- the Native Americans did a better
>>>> job of stewarding the land than you and your ilk.
>>>>
>>> It's not about Wilson or Trump.
>>>
>>> Apparently, wildfires are getting less frequent worldwide, not more, 
>>> as the globe warms.
>>
>> apparently ur a fucking idiot dud
>>
> Lightning causes roughly 10% to 15% of wildfires in the United States, 
> but accounts for about 45% to 50% of wildfires in Canada.
> 
> Human activity causes approximately 50% (or just under half) of all 
> wildfires in Canada, while lightning accounts for the other half.
> <
> 
>> for anyone who doesn't want to be one: global fire trends (in acreage) 
>> are completely dominated by tropical savannas and grasslands which are 
>> declining in acreage because of land use changes and increased fire 
>> suppression along with land use changes...
>>
>> this trends does not negate the increasing trend in temperate and 
>> especially boreal forest wildfires
>>
> Humans cause approximately 84% to 90% of all wildfires in the United 
> States, according to data from agencies like the National Interagency 
> Fire Center and the U.S. National Park Service.

when accounting for total burn area in the us, lighting ignited 
wildfires burn just over 50%,

whereas in canada, lighting ignition accounts for more like >90% of 
wildfire acreage burned

> 
>>>
>>> Gov. Gavin Newsom vetoed a bill that would have pushed California 
>>> toward more strategic planning to prevent the worst wildfire damage, 
>>> saying it would cost too much unbudgeted money.
>>>
>>> KQED NPR:
>>>
>>> California Needs a New Approach to Wildfire Planning
>>>
>>> https://tinyurl.com/4nf4tc94
>>>
>>> President Trump claims Canadian wildfires are caused by "forest
>>> management." YMMV.
>>
> 


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