Re: assuming we don't have a 100x unicorn improvement in battery tech anytime soon ...

On 8/3/26 12:53 PM, Dude wrote:
> On 8/1/2026 7:20 PM, dart200 wrote:
>> On 8/1/26 10:22 AM, Wilson wrote:
>>> On 8/1/2026 12:38 PM, dart200 wrote:
>>>> On 8/1/26 9:17 AM, Wilson wrote:
>>>>> On 7/31/2026 6:45 PM, dart200 wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/31/26 1:14 PM, Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>> On 7/31/2026 2:31 PM, dart200 wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 7/31/26 10:14 AM, Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 7/31/2026 12:22 PM, dart200 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 7/31/26 9:16 AM, Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> There's this thing called ethics. The free market works best 
>>>>>>>>>>> when the participants have a shared and broad ethical system 
>>>>>>>>>>> that values (among other things) treating others fairly, the 
>>>>>>>>>>> same way most of us want to be treated.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> coercive border control certainly isn't treating people fairly 
>>>>>>>>>> u twat lol
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Open borders, which drive down pay for the lowest earners, are 
>>>>>>>>> certainly not treating the people who already live there 
>>>>>>>>> fairly, you mental munchkin.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> errr ... so competing in an open labor market is now unfair 
>>>>>>>> because it results in the market driving down the price of labor???
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> that's exactly the market working as intended, what exactly is 
>>>>>>>> unfair about it???
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> what actual ethical principle has even been violated???
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not allowing the owners to have a say in how things are run.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ummm ... why would "the owners" /want/ to override the principles 
>>>>>> of free and open markets dud???
>>>>>>
>>>>>> it brings prosperity for all, eh?
>>>>>
>>>>> Because they might see certain actions as acting against their best 
>>>>> interests, like collectivists do for instance.
>>>>
>>>> so ur just arbitrarily deciding when to not abide by free market 
>>>> principles... when it suits you???
>>>>
>>>> how is _that_ fairness???
>>>
>>> It isn't. But it is self-interest and before we throw that out like 
>>> Noah says he wants to do, we need to take a good hard look at what 
>>> the world would be like if we don't allow people to materially 
>>> improve their lives through their own efforts.
>>>
>>
>> i'm sorry, opening the borders does not then prevent people from 
>> materially improving their lives thru their own efforts dud ... that's 
>> a total non-sequitur
>>
> Marxists view state ownership as a necessary first step, but their 
> ultimate goal is a stateless, classless society where the entire 
> community owns the property directly. >
> 
>> if they don't like low wage work they should start a business or 
>> invest ya know???
>>
> Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels argued that ruling classes rarely give up 
> power peacefully. They wrote that force is the "midwife" of a new 
> society born from an old one.
> 
> Marxists do not believe they can simply use the existing capitalist 
> government structure. They believe they must break it down and build a 
> workers' democracy in its place.

do i look like a fucking marxist to u moron???

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