Re: Ceuta is what happens when you’re not serio us about migration

On 8/3/26 12:39 PM, Dude wrote:
> On 8/2/2026 11:31 AM, dart200 wrote:
>> On 8/2/26 10:57 AM, Dude wrote:
>>> On 8/2/2026 10:25 AM, dart200 wrote:
>>>> On 8/2/26 9:48 AM, Wilson wrote:
>>>>> On 8/1/2026 10:37 PM, dart200 wrote:
>>>>>> On 8/1/26 10:17 AM, Julian wrote:
>>>>>>> Ursula von der Leyen doesn’t seem to care about the tide of 
>>>>>>> people rushing the Spanish border. Voters in Britain will
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If any of us were in doubt about the scale of the problem facing 
>>>>>>> our borders, that ended in half an hour on Thursday. Thousands of 
>>>>>>> topless Moroccan men were filmed scrambling over rocks, pushing 
>>>>>>> over walls and setting things on fire as they rushed into Ceuta, 
>>>>>>> the Spanish exclave in north Africa.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To watch the footage was, simply, to be boggled. How many people 
>>>>>>> were in that frame? Why were they doing this? Who even were they?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And what about the people of Ceuta, a city with a population 
>>>>>>> smaller than Eastbourne on the coast near Tangier, long governed 
>>>>>>> by Spain? What would we do if Eastbourne was overrun by 60,000 
>>>>>>> foreign berserkers?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Some would argue it already has been.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I’ve written a lot about Nigel Farage, the movement of people and 
>>>>>>> the threat of small boats. And, to be honest, I’ve always been a 
>>>>>>> bit embarrassed doing it. You don’t have to have watched The 
>>>>>>> Odyssey to know that human decency says you must at least try to 
>>>>>>> welcome refugees and migrants, especially if you’re one of the 
>>>>>>> richest countries in the world and they’re victims of wars you’ve 
>>>>>>> started or meddled in — which is, of course, in the end, most of 
>>>>>>> the wars. This has always been Europe’s position.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yet, looking at the surging crowds, I thought: hasn’t it gone a 
>>>>>>> bit far now? Europe wants us to do what?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They want us to just deal with thousands more illegals, on top of 
>>>>>>> the thousands who have already come here on boats this year — 752 
>>>>>>> on Wednesday alone — because they simply can’t be bothered to 
>>>>>>> stop them or, worse, expect us to actually welcome them in, as 
>>>>>>> they do? To give them free houses, taxis, mobile phones, allow 
>>>>>>> scores of dependants to also come across — because: human rights 
>>>>>>> — when there are barely enough houses for the people who are 
>>>>>>> already here, when taxes are this high, when the NHS is messy, 
>>>>>>> dysfunctional and killing people?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Are we just expected to take it?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For Ursula von der Leyen, the useless, robo-haired functionary at 
>>>>>>> the top of the European Commission, the answer is yes. She 
>>>>>>> couldn’t have cared less about the Ceuta stampede. At most, for 
>>>>>>> her, thousands of gleeful men romping up metal railings, raiding 
>>>>>>> shops and then sleeping, half-naked, out in the open, were a mere 
>>>>>>> HR/ health and safety issue.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> “Dangerous crossings” must not happen, she tweeted on Friday. “I 
>>>>>>> tasked two commissioners to support to control the situation.”
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I looked up the commissioners. One was a wet-looking Austrian 
>>>>>>> ninth- tier politician, a holder of the Grand Cross of 
>>>>>>> Liechtenstein. The other was a former mayor of Dubrovnik and 
>>>>>>> recipient of the 2006 World Mayor Award. Are they real people? 
>>>>>>> It’s like sending Gareth and Dawn from The Office.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Europe has never been serious about stopping migration. 
>>>>>>> Philosophically, it’s not their thing. Effective returns of 
>>>>>>> people who flood into Greece, Spain, Italy, France and so on bump 
>>>>>>> along at only 28 per cent. Spain’s prime minister, Pedro Sánchez, 
>>>>>>> whose recent policies made the rush on Ceuta possible, could not, 
>>>>>>> when he addressed the press on Friday, even bring himself to use 
>>>>>>> the word “border”. The police would put a “physical containment 
>>>>>>> barrier” in the sea, he said, to stop migrants swimming the three 
>>>>>>> miles from Morocco to Spain.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How about telling them they simply won’t be welcome? How about 
>>>>>>> not promising an amnesty, as he did this year, prompting the 
>>>>>>> surge? How about seeing a huge body of random people just over 
>>>>>>> the border and not automatically thinking, what can I do to make 
>>>>>>> it even easier for these people to enter my territory? What can I 
>>>>>>> give them? Shall I pass them a lifejacket, a cup of tea, a credit 
>>>>>>> card, an SUV and a four-bedroom house in Kilburn?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> These people aren’t refugees, by the way, or asylum seekers. 
>>>>>>> They’re economic migrants, chancing it. As one of them put it, 
>>>>>>> when the border’s down they’ll try anything, because: “Salaries 
>>>>>>> are very low in Morocco. It’s dead, Morocco is dead.”
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For them, Ceuta’s a jaunty day trip.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Any serious attempt to deal with the many millions who flood in 
>>>>>>> is resisted with psychotic anger in the European parliament. Its 
>>>>>>> recent plan to create “return hubs” was met with scorn. One 
>>>>>>> commissioner, two weeks ago, said  that  “extraterritorial 
>>>>>>> centres” had bad human rights records. Australia’s plans led to 
>>>>>>> “years of arbitrary detention in inhuman conditions”. Similar 
>>>>>>> plans by Israel (it’s always Israel) left asylum seekers in 
>>>>>>> “legal limbo”.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Fear of legal limbo — is that a reason to desecrate an entire 
>>>>>>> continent? These politicians are consumed by madness and guilt. 
>>>>>>> They are embarrassed by Europe’s wealth, its global standing and 
>>>>>>> its relative ease of life. They feel it is their mission to tear 
>>>>>>> this down by waving in thousands of people who shouldn’t be here. 
>>>>>>> And those people know this, which is why thousands still tip up 
>>>>>>> in Italy each month, to Giorgia Meloni’s horror. Sánchez himself 
>>>>>>> has said that Spain will welcome 500,000  migrants. This will 
>>>>>>> tear Europe apart.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Some of these arrivals will head out of Spain and go north, 
>>>>>>> attracted by our better healthcare, education system and free 
>>>>>>> houses.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We pay the French £662 million to stop them coming here from 
>>>>>>> Calais, but, as Chris Philp, the shadow home secretary, found out 
>>>>>>> on Tuesday, like every EU official with a lifejacket they don’t 
>>>>>>> do the job.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Philp was mocked for running up and down the French coast, asking 
>>>>>>> the gendarmerie why they were doing “absolutely nothing” to stop 
>>>>>>> people- smugglers loading up hundreds on boats in front of them. 
>>>>>>> “Our order is to let them go like that,” shrugged one. “We just 
>>>>>>> have to say to them, don’t do that, it’s dangerous.”
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As I said: mere health and safety.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The strange thing about migration is that it should be the 
>>>>>>> easiest thing in the world to manage. There is nothing more 
>>>>>>> simple than securing the borders of one’s country. Yet many 
>>>>>>> politicians seem unable to speak on this matter. Andy Burnham and 
>>>>>>> Ed Miliband, the foreign secretary — all tongue-tied.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On other subjects, the prime minister won’t shut up: poetry, tea, 
>>>>>>> pubs, education, bus fares, electricity, who he’s going tax, why 
>>>>>>> he felt Cambridge let him down. On Europe, he couldn’t be 
>>>>>>> clearer: he wants an “even closer” relationship. On immigration, 
>>>>>>> though, nothing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> At some point, perhaps when he sees his TikToks falling off a 
>>>>>>> cliff as eyeballs race to the astonishing pictures of Moroccans 
>>>>>>> marching in relentless columns across Spanish soil, he may 
>>>>>>> realise that however much the EU tries to obfuscate the reality 
>>>>>>> of what is happening, however much they try to tidy it away 
>>>>>>> (“50,000 have gone back now”), however much they pretend that 
>>>>>>> what happened on Thursday wasn’t their Tiananmen Square — an 
>>>>>>> event we can never unsee — there are only two subjects that will 
>>>>>>> interest people at the next election. Money, and this.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The longer Burnham prevaricates and utters soundbites, the longer 
>>>>>>> Labour tries to pretend the matter is in hand when it isn’t, the 
>>>>>>> more people will come across, the more our seaside towns will be 
>>>>>>> destroyed, the more stories will leak out about migrants bringing 
>>>>>>> over 18 members of their families and/or raping people. Is he 
>>>>>>> ready for it?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Camilla Long
>>>>>>
>>>>>> capitalists and crying about free association: name a more ironic duo
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Do the citizens of Ceuta get a say in who they associate with?
>>>>
>>>> this is like idiot reddit admins claiming censorship is actually 
>>>> free speech. god u sheeple are truly that fucking retarded 
>>>> everywhere, eh???
>>>>
>>>> and no wilson: free association means that the "citizens of cueta" 
>>>> do not get a say in barring each other from freely associating. 
>>>> otherwise that's not free association, it's association limited by 
>>>> wherever the fuck u happened to be born.
>>>>
>>>> idk why u insist on endless mental gymnastics, but it's clear u 
>>>> don't actually support free association. u support coercively 
>>>> barring association based on what u feel is in your best interest.
>>>>
>>> Get serious! Now you're claiming to be be a social scientist?
>>>
>>> You probably never even heard of a country named Ceuta, Spain before 
>>> yesterday.
>>>
>>> Let's face it. Nick is not smarter than a 5th grader.
>>
>> ur a complete fucking idiot dud
>>
> You snipped out this, you rascal!
> 

oh did i now???

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