Re: Private Property

On 8/11/26 11:49 AM, Dude wrote:
> On 8/11/2026 10:35 AM, Wilson wrote:
>> On 8/10/2026 4:06 PM, dart200 wrote:
>>> On 8/10/26 9:26 AM, Wilson wrote:
>>>> On 8/10/2026 12:03 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 10 Aug 2026 11:43:59 -0400, Wilson <[email protected]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> On 8/9/2026 6:12 PM, dart200 wrote:
>>>>>>> On 8/9/26 11:28 AM, Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 8/9/2026 1:34 PM, dart200 wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 8/9/26 8:45 AM, Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> At its core, free enterprise and a market economy can be 
>>>>>>>>>> reduced in
>>>>>>>>>> many ways to an economic ideology centered around private 
>>>>>>>>>> property.
>>>>>>>>>> It gives me extraordinary joy to see how our founders, in writing
>>>>>>>>>> the Declaration of Independence, declared that all men were 
>>>>>>>>>> "endowed
>>>>>>>>>> by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, among them are
>>>>>>>>>> life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Here, the founders took the natural rights John Locke wrote 
>>>>>>>>>> about in
>>>>>>>>>> his Second Treatise of Government in 1690 – "lives, liberties, 
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> estates, which I call by the general name, property," and 
>>>>>>>>>> broadened
>>>>>>>>>> it.  They presupposed that property was necessary for liberty and
>>>>>>>>>> that the greater aspiration behind private property was 
>>>>>>>>>> "pursuit of
>>>>>>>>>> happiness" (what we call "human flourishing" in my tradition).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Just weeks before the Declaration of Independence was written,
>>>>>>>>>> George Mason had codified in the Virginia Declaration of 
>>>>>>>>>> Rights that
>>>>>>>>>> "the enjoyment of life and liberty, with the means of 
>>>>>>>>>> acquiring and
>>>>>>>>>> possessing property" were predicates to "pursuing and obtaining
>>>>>>>>>> happiness and safety."  The founding fathers were not waxing and
>>>>>>>>>> waning philosophically – well, they were not /only/ doing that –
>>>>>>>>>> they were expressing the lived experience of the settlers in 
>>>>>>>>>> the new
>>>>>>>>>> world.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The lived experience that served as the bedrock of our nation was
>>>>>>>>>> one of private ownership driving incentives, of communal 
>>>>>>>>>> ownership
>>>>>>>>>> discouraging productive work, and one where resentment was
>>>>>>>>>> inevitable when rewards were equal, but effort was not.  Communal
>>>>>>>>>> ownership of property had failed in practice because it was 
>>>>>>>>>> first a
>>>>>>>>>> failed theory.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Private property is a natural right that flows from our 
>>>>>>>>>> ability to
>>>>>>>>>> earn, hold, possess, retain, and manage the fruits of our own 
>>>>>>>>>> labor.
>>>>>>>>>> It produces responsibility, stewardship, and abundance that align
>>>>>>>>>> with human nature.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> David L. Bahnsen
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> i love how capitalists love to jerk themselves off about 
>>>>>>>>> freedom and
>>>>>>>>> flourishing endlessly while ignoring the fact 7/8 are enslaved 
>>>>>>>>> to a
>>>>>>>>> nation-state system that coercively interferes with basic 
>>>>>>>>> freedom of
>>>>>>>>> movement
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> this world is a travesty of authoritarian control all you can 
>>>>>>>>> do is
>>>>>>>>> keep crying endlessly about private property, as violently owning
>>>>>>>>> stuff is the _only_ principle you actually care about
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Self-defense is not the initiation of violence, and as it is 
>>>>>>>> oriented
>>>>>>>> towards the protection of life and the thriving of the human 
>>>>>>>> person,
>>>>>>>> it is a natural human right.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> you are _not_ your property
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Property as gained by the effort and work of a human being is
>>>>>>>> inherently a part of that person's life. As such, defense of that
>>>>>>>> property is also a human right.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> even the person who first came up with that predicated that right to
>>>>>>> mixing labor with land to claim property, on there being enough 
>>>>>>> common
>>>>>>> lands left for all to utilize...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> which we've gone so far past that you want to keep 7/8 people on 
>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>> planet chained to the nation state they were born in without even 
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> permission to leave.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Anyone who attempts to take away one's property or other natural
>>>>>>>> rights is an enabler of tyranny, and therefore an enemy of life 
>>>>>>>> and of
>>>>>>>> humanity.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not keeping them in their home countries. They just can't all 
>>>>>> come
>>>>>> here, that's all.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ok, lets change the wording a little.
>>>>>
>>>>> "you want to keep 7/8 people on this
>>>>> planet chained to nation states where they can have no future, no hope
>>>>> of improvement in their lives without even the permission to go
>>>>> somewhere better."
>>>>
>>>> No, I don't want to keep them "chained to nation states". As far as 
>>>> I'm concerned they are free to go anywhere that's willing to accept 
>>>> them.
>>>
>>> my god the endless stupidity of capitalist morons refusing to accept 
>>> responsibility for the bullshit they preach...
>>>
>>> which ofc is expected. a honest person cannot hold the positions of 
>>> sheeplefried capitalists.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm not even that attached to the idea of nation-states and kind of 
>>>> like the idea of free places that are outside of the nation-state.
>>>>
>>>> In any case, no place is obligated to accept everyone that wants to 
>>>> go there. The current citizens get a say in the matter.
>>>
>>> you _are_ the fucking problem wilson. if the richest country on the 
>>> planet can't "afford" basic freedom of movement, then how in the fuck 
>>> do you expect others to follow???
>>>
>>> ur pathetic "well-wishings" are meaningless platitudes compares to 
>>> the subethical positions you hold, which are directly causal in 
>>> chaining 7/8 people on the planet to the nation states of their 
>>> birth, something they have _zero_ choice
>>
>> Go get your consensus and then get back to me.
>>
> Over 99.9% of all people live in nation states. It's up to them to take 
> care of their own, or not.
> 
> The US has no business interfering with any nation states and their 
> private property or internal affairs.

the US spent most a century interfering with internal affairs to ensure 
private property stands as a global norm, no matter the cost. it's the 
_only_ thing u fucking braindead apes care about

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