Re: Private Property

On 8/11/26 10:35 AM, Wilson wrote:
> On 8/10/2026 4:06 PM, dart200 wrote:
>> On 8/10/26 9:26 AM, Wilson wrote:
>>> On 8/10/2026 12:03 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 10 Aug 2026 11:43:59 -0400, Wilson <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> On 8/9/2026 6:12 PM, dart200 wrote:
>>>>>> On 8/9/26 11:28 AM, Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>> On 8/9/2026 1:34 PM, dart200 wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 8/9/26 8:45 AM, Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> At its core, free enterprise and a market economy can be 
>>>>>>>>> reduced in
>>>>>>>>> many ways to an economic ideology centered around private 
>>>>>>>>> property.
>>>>>>>>> It gives me extraordinary joy to see how our founders, in writing
>>>>>>>>> the Declaration of Independence, declared that all men were 
>>>>>>>>> "endowed
>>>>>>>>> by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, among them are
>>>>>>>>> life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Here, the founders took the natural rights John Locke wrote 
>>>>>>>>> about in
>>>>>>>>> his Second Treatise of Government in 1690 – "lives, liberties, and
>>>>>>>>> estates, which I call by the general name, property," and 
>>>>>>>>> broadened
>>>>>>>>> it.  They presupposed that property was necessary for liberty and
>>>>>>>>> that the greater aspiration behind private property was 
>>>>>>>>> "pursuit of
>>>>>>>>> happiness" (what we call "human flourishing" in my tradition).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Just weeks before the Declaration of Independence was written,
>>>>>>>>> George Mason had codified in the Virginia Declaration of Rights 
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> "the enjoyment of life and liberty, with the means of acquiring 
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> possessing property" were predicates to "pursuing and obtaining
>>>>>>>>> happiness and safety."  The founding fathers were not waxing and
>>>>>>>>> waning philosophically – well, they were not /only/ doing that –
>>>>>>>>> they were expressing the lived experience of the settlers in 
>>>>>>>>> the new
>>>>>>>>> world.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The lived experience that served as the bedrock of our nation was
>>>>>>>>> one of private ownership driving incentives, of communal ownership
>>>>>>>>> discouraging productive work, and one where resentment was
>>>>>>>>> inevitable when rewards were equal, but effort was not.  Communal
>>>>>>>>> ownership of property had failed in practice because it was 
>>>>>>>>> first a
>>>>>>>>> failed theory.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Private property is a natural right that flows from our ability to
>>>>>>>>> earn, hold, possess, retain, and manage the fruits of our own 
>>>>>>>>> labor.
>>>>>>>>> It produces responsibility, stewardship, and abundance that align
>>>>>>>>> with human nature.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> David L. Bahnsen
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> i love how capitalists love to jerk themselves off about freedom 
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> flourishing endlessly while ignoring the fact 7/8 are enslaved to a
>>>>>>>> nation-state system that coercively interferes with basic 
>>>>>>>> freedom of
>>>>>>>> movement
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> this world is a travesty of authoritarian control all you can do is
>>>>>>>> keep crying endlessly about private property, as violently owning
>>>>>>>> stuff is the _only_ principle you actually care about
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Self-defense is not the initiation of violence, and as it is 
>>>>>>> oriented
>>>>>>> towards the protection of life and the thriving of the human person,
>>>>>>> it is a natural human right.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> you are _not_ your property
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Property as gained by the effort and work of a human being is
>>>>>>> inherently a part of that person's life. As such, defense of that
>>>>>>> property is also a human right.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> even the person who first came up with that predicated that right to
>>>>>> mixing labor with land to claim property, on there being enough 
>>>>>> common
>>>>>> lands left for all to utilize...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> which we've gone so far past that you want to keep 7/8 people on this
>>>>>> planet chained to the nation state they were born in without even the
>>>>>> permission to leave.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anyone who attempts to take away one's property or other natural
>>>>>>> rights is an enabler of tyranny, and therefore an enemy of life 
>>>>>>> and of
>>>>>>> humanity.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not keeping them in their home countries. They just can't all come
>>>>> here, that's all.
>>>>
>>>> Ok, lets change the wording a little.
>>>>
>>>> "you want to keep 7/8 people on this
>>>> planet chained to nation states where they can have no future, no hope
>>>> of improvement in their lives without even the permission to go
>>>> somewhere better."
>>>
>>> No, I don't want to keep them "chained to nation states". As far as 
>>> I'm concerned they are free to go anywhere that's willing to accept 
>>> them.
>>
>> my god the endless stupidity of capitalist morons refusing to accept 
>> responsibility for the bullshit they preach...
>>
>> which ofc is expected. a honest person cannot hold the positions of 
>> sheeplefried capitalists.
>>
>>>
>>> I'm not even that attached to the idea of nation-states and kind of 
>>> like the idea of free places that are outside of the nation-state.
>>>
>>> In any case, no place is obligated to accept everyone that wants to 
>>> go there. The current citizens get a say in the matter.
>>
>> you _are_ the fucking problem wilson. if the richest country on the 
>> planet can't "afford" basic freedom of movement, then how in the fuck 
>> do you expect others to follow???
>>
>> ur pathetic "well-wishings" are meaningless platitudes compares to the 
>> subethical positions you hold, which are directly causal in chaining 
>> 7/8 people on the planet to the nation states of their birth, 
>> something they have _zero_ choice
> 
> Go get your consensus and then get back to me.
> 

why do i have to fix the mess the coercive mess your fucking ungodly 
ideology created???

where do u think ur next life will end up, eh???

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