Re: Private Property

On 8/11/2026 3:04 PM, dart200 wrote:
> On 8/11/26 1:53 PM, Dude wrote:
>> On 8/11/2026 1:40 PM, dart200 wrote:
>>> On 8/11/26 11:57 AM, Dude wrote:
>>>> On 8/10/2026 9:55 PM, dart200 wrote:
>>>>> On 8/10/26 5:20 PM, Dude wrote:
>>>>>> On 8/10/2026 1:06 PM, dart200 wrote:
>>>>>>> On 8/10/26 9:26 AM, Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 8/10/2026 12:03 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 10 Aug 2026 11:43:59 -0400, Wilson 
>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 8/9/2026 6:12 PM, dart200 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/9/26 11:28 AM, Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/9/2026 1:34 PM, dart200 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/9/26 8:45 AM, Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At its core, free enterprise and a market economy can be 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reduced in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many ways to an economic ideology centered around private 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> property.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It gives me extraordinary joy to see how our founders, in 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> writing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Declaration of Independence, declared that all men 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> were "endowed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, among 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here, the founders took the natural rights John Locke 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote about in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his Second Treatise of Government in 1690 – "lives, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> liberties, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> estates, which I call by the general name, property," and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broadened
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it.  They presupposed that property was necessary for 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> liberty and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that the greater aspiration behind private property was 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "pursuit of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happiness" (what we call "human flourishing" in my 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tradition).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just weeks before the Declaration of Independence was 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> written,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> George Mason had codified in the Virginia Declaration of 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rights that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "the enjoyment of life and liberty, with the means of 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> acquiring and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> possessing property" were predicates to "pursuing and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> obtaining
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happiness and safety."  The founding fathers were not 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> waxing and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> waning philosophically – well, they were not /only/ doing 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that –
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they were expressing the lived experience of the settlers 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> world.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The lived experience that served as the bedrock of our 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nation was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one of private ownership driving incentives, of communal 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ownership
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discouraging productive work, and one where resentment was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inevitable when rewards were equal, but effort was not. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Communal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ownership of property had failed in practice because it 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was first a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> failed theory.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Private property is a natural right that flows from our 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ability to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> earn, hold, possess, retain, and manage the fruits of our 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> own labor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It produces responsibility, stewardship, and abundance 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that align
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with human nature.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David L. Bahnsen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> i love how capitalists love to jerk themselves off about 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> freedom and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> flourishing endlessly while ignoring the fact 7/8 are 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> enslaved to a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> nation-state system that coercively interferes with basic 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> freedom of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> movement
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> this world is a travesty of authoritarian control all you 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> can do is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> keep crying endlessly about private property, as violently 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> owning
>>>>>>>>>>>>> stuff is the _only_ principle you actually care about
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Self-defense is not the initiation of violence, and as it is 
>>>>>>>>>>>> oriented
>>>>>>>>>>>> towards the protection of life and the thriving of the human 
>>>>>>>>>>>> person,
>>>>>>>>>>>> it is a natural human right.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> you are _not_ your property
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Property as gained by the effort and work of a human being is
>>>>>>>>>>>> inherently a part of that person's life. As such, defense of 
>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>> property is also a human right.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> even the person who first came up with that predicated that 
>>>>>>>>>>> right to
>>>>>>>>>>> mixing labor with land to claim property, on there being 
>>>>>>>>>>> enough common
>>>>>>>>>>> lands left for all to utilize...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> which we've gone so far past that you want to keep 7/8 people 
>>>>>>>>>>> on this
>>>>>>>>>>> planet chained to the nation state they were born in without 
>>>>>>>>>>> even the
>>>>>>>>>>> permission to leave.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyone who attempts to take away one's property or other 
>>>>>>>>>>>> natural
>>>>>>>>>>>> rights is an enabler of tyranny, and therefore an enemy of 
>>>>>>>>>>>> life and of
>>>>>>>>>>>> humanity.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm not keeping them in their home countries. They just can't 
>>>>>>>>>> all come
>>>>>>>>>> here, that's all.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ok, lets change the wording a little.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "you want to keep 7/8 people on this
>>>>>>>>> planet chained to nation states where they can have no future, 
>>>>>>>>> no hope
>>>>>>>>> of improvement in their lives without even the permission to go
>>>>>>>>> somewhere better."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No, I don't want to keep them "chained to nation states". As far 
>>>>>>>> as I'm concerned they are free to go anywhere that's willing to 
>>>>>>>> accept them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> my god the endless stupidity of capitalist morons refusing to 
>>>>>>> accept responsibility for the bullshit they preach...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> We studied...
>>>>>
>>>>> i don't care what u studied you stupid fucking dip shit
>>>>>
>>>> We studied this in school: The French Revolution
>>>>
>>>> The revolution ended noble land monopolies and peasant dues in 
>>>> 1789.. Established private property as a basic human right. How?
>>>>  >
>>>>> the reality is 7/8 are enslaved to their nation states cause of ur 
>>>>> perverse obsession with violently owning stuff
>>>>>
>>>> Like I said: 99.9% of all people live in nation states. There only a 
>>>> very tiny minority of people that are stateless.
>>>>  > > go fuck yourself with a knife and die already
>>>>>
>>>> So, let me say this:
>>>>
>>>> By abolishing feudal land rights and establishing legal protections 
>>>> for individual ownership in the Declaration of the Rights of Man.
>>>
>>> go fuck yourself with a knife and die already dud
>>>
>> There's just not much an individual ...
> 
> you could be arguing against idiots like wilson instead of supporting 
> him you stupid moron
> 
> go fuck yourself with a knife and die already dud
> 
Like I said:

There's just not much an individual can do to alter the private monetary 
system of free market capitalism. Over 99.9 of all nation states are in 
the system 100% of all people n the planet are in it for the money.

We studied this in school: The French Revolution

The French Revolution ended noble land monopolies and peasant dues in 
1789.. Established private property as a basic human right. How?

By abolishing feudal land rights and establishing legal protections for 
individual ownership in the Declaration of the Rights of Man.

By abolishing feudal land rights and establishing legal protections for 
individual ownership in the Declaration of the Rights of Man.

The United Nations explicitly states that humans have rights from birth 
in Article 1 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, which 
proclaims that "all human beings are born free and equal in dignity and 
rights."


Like I said:

99.9% of all people live in nation states. There only a very tiny 
minority of people that are stateless, so go fuck yourself.