Re: Private Property

On 8/11/26 5:58 PM, Dude wrote:
> On 8/11/2026 4:18 PM, dart200 wrote:
>> On 8/11/26 3:33 PM, Dude wrote:
>>> On 8/11/2026 3:04 PM, dart200 wrote:
>>>> On 8/11/26 1:53 PM, Dude wrote:
>>>>> On 8/11/2026 1:40 PM, dart200 wrote:
>>>>>> On 8/11/26 11:57 AM, Dude wrote:
>>>>>>> On 8/10/2026 9:55 PM, dart200 wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 8/10/26 5:20 PM, Dude wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 8/10/2026 1:06 PM, dart200 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 8/10/26 9:26 AM, Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/10/2026 12:03 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 10 Aug 2026 11:43:59 -0400, Wilson 
>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/9/2026 6:12 PM, dart200 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/9/26 11:28 AM, Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/9/2026 1:34 PM, dart200 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/9/26 8:45 AM, Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At its core, free enterprise and a market economy can 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be reduced in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many ways to an economic ideology centered around 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> private property.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It gives me extraordinary joy to see how our founders, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in writing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Declaration of Independence, declared that all men 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> were "endowed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, among 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here, the founders took the natural rights John Locke 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote about in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his Second Treatise of Government in 1690 – "lives, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> liberties, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> estates, which I call by the general name, property," 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and broadened
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it.  They presupposed that property was necessary for 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> liberty and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that the greater aspiration behind private property was 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "pursuit of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happiness" (what we call "human flourishing" in my 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tradition).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just weeks before the Declaration of Independence was 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> written,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> George Mason had codified in the Virginia Declaration 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of Rights that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "the enjoyment of life and liberty, with the means of 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> acquiring and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> possessing property" were predicates to "pursuing and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> obtaining
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happiness and safety."  The founding fathers were not 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> waxing and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> waning philosophically – well, they were not /only/ 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doing that –
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they were expressing the lived experience of the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> settlers in the new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> world.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The lived experience that served as the bedrock of our 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nation was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one of private ownership driving incentives, of 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> communal ownership
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discouraging productive work, and one where resentment was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inevitable when rewards were equal, but effort was not. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Communal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ownership of property had failed in practice because it 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was first a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> failed theory.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Private property is a natural right that flows from our 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ability to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> earn, hold, possess, retain, and manage the fruits of 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> our own labor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It produces responsibility, stewardship, and abundance 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that align
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with human nature.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David L. Bahnsen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i love how capitalists love to jerk themselves off about 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> freedom and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> flourishing endlessly while ignoring the fact 7/8 are 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enslaved to a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nation-state system that coercively interferes with 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> basic freedom of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> movement
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this world is a travesty of authoritarian control all 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you can do is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keep crying endlessly about private property, as 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> violently owning
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stuff is the _only_ principle you actually care about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Self-defense is not the initiation of violence, and as it 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is oriented
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> towards the protection of life and the thriving of the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> human person,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it is a natural human right.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you are _not_ your property
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Property as gained by the effort and work of a human 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> being is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inherently a part of that person's life. As such, defense 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> property is also a human right.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even the person who first came up with that predicated 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that right to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mixing labor with land to claim property, on there being 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enough common
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lands left for all to utilize...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which we've gone so far past that you want to keep 7/8 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people on this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> planet chained to the nation state they were born in 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> without even the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> permission to leave.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyone who attempts to take away one's property or other 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> natural
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rights is an enabler of tyranny, and therefore an enemy 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of life and of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> humanity.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not keeping them in their home countries. They just 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> can't all come
>>>>>>>>>>>>> here, that's all.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ok, lets change the wording a little.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "you want to keep 7/8 people on this
>>>>>>>>>>>> planet chained to nation states where they can have no 
>>>>>>>>>>>> future, no hope
>>>>>>>>>>>> of improvement in their lives without even the permission to go
>>>>>>>>>>>> somewhere better."
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> No, I don't want to keep them "chained to nation states". As 
>>>>>>>>>>> far as I'm concerned they are free to go anywhere that's 
>>>>>>>>>>> willing to accept them.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> my god the endless stupidity of capitalist morons refusing to 
>>>>>>>>>> accept responsibility for the bullshit they preach...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We studied...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> i don't care what u studied you stupid fucking dip shit
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We studied this in school: The French Revolution
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The revolution ended noble land monopolies and peasant dues in 
>>>>>>> 1789.. Established private property as a basic human right. How?
>>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>>> the reality is 7/8 are enslaved to their nation states cause of 
>>>>>>>> ur perverse obsession with violently owning stuff
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Like I said: 99.9% of all people live in nation states. There 
>>>>>>> only a very tiny minority of people that are stateless.
>>>>>>>  > > go fuck yourself with a knife and die already
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So, let me say this:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> By abolishing feudal land rights and establishing legal 
>>>>>>> protections for individual ownership in the Declaration of the 
>>>>>>> Rights of Man.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> go fuck yourself with a knife and die already dud
>>>>>>
>>>>> There's just not much an individual ...
>>>>
>>>> you could be arguing against idiots like wilson instead of 
>>>> supporting him you stupid moron
>>>>
>>>> go fuck yourself with a knife and die already dud
>>>>
>>> Like I said:
>>>
>>> There's just not much an individual can do to alter the private 
>>> monetary system of free market capitalism. Over 99.9 of all nation 
>>> states are in the system 100% of all people n the planet are in it 
>>> for the money.
>>>
>>> We studied this in school: The French Revolution
>>>
>>> The French Revolution ended noble land monopolies and peasant dues in 
>>> 1789.. Established private property as a basic human right. How?
>>>
>>> By abolishing feudal land rights and establishing legal protections 
>>> for individual ownership in the Declaration of the Rights of Man.
>>>
>>> By abolishing feudal land rights and establishing legal protections 
>>> for individual ownership in the Declaration of the Rights of Man.
>>>
>>> The United Nations explicitly states that humans have rights from 
>>> birth in Article 1 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, 
>>> which proclaims that "all human beings are born free and equal in 
>>> dignity and rights."
>>>
>>>
>>> Like I said:
>>>
>>> 99.9% of all people live in nation states. There only a very tiny 
>>> minority of people that are stateless, so go fuck yourself.
>>
>> go fuck myself because ur fucking brain dead ideology went and 
>> established a system which has enslaved 7/8 to working only within the 
>> nation state they happened to born in???
>>
> Over 99.9% of all the people living on earth in nation states have 

but they aren't free to leave dud!

> personal property. That is their right if they are born within their own 
> nation state. There are only a tiny number of people that are stateless 
> and even they possess personal property.
> 
> So, the consensus is, that it's your right to own personal property. 
> Karl Marx agreed.

i'm still not a goddamn marxist, i don't care for the distinction.

> 
>> and you shrug it off by quoting things that don't even make sense??? 
>> IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT ANYONE SIGNED IF PEOPLE AREN'T ACTUALLY FREE 
>> YOU STUPID FUCK, SO STOP BRINGING IT UP!
>>
> So, the question is, are we free or are we bound?

bound, by laws, that few have any choice in

> 
> If free, no worries. If bound, by what means can we free ourselves?

lol, instead of advocating for change you advocate for everyone to 
individually just accept it...

  > what a fucking dumbass sheeple
  >
  > #god

at this point idk if u even have the capability for critical thought 
dud. i think ur just a dumb normie defending the status quo without 
wanton disregard to any sort of principled coherency. wilson does 
marginally better. and creon can't take the heat

> 
> That is what we'll find out on this board.
> 
>> stop telling me you can't do anything when you spent so many posts 
>> aruging wE cAnT oPeN tHe bOrDeRs, ThAt wOuLd Be uNFaIr?!?!?!
>>
> You can't have open borders in a welfare state.
> 
>> you can _start_ by being on the right side of history instead of wrong
>>
> You came here? To be on the right side of history?

this ungodly group is clearly stuck in the wrong

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