Re: Private Property

On 8/11/26 7:16 PM, Dude wrote:
> On 8/11/2026 4:15 PM, dart200 wrote:
>> On 8/11/26 3:38 PM, Dude wrote:
>>> On 8/11/2026 3:05 PM, dart200 wrote:
>>>> On 8/11/26 2:02 PM, Dude wrote:
>>>>> On 8/11/2026 1:43 PM, dart200 wrote:
>>>>>> On 8/11/26 11:49 AM, Dude wrote:
>>>>>>> On 8/11/2026 10:35 AM, Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 8/10/2026 4:06 PM, dart200 wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 8/10/26 9:26 AM, Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 8/10/2026 12:03 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 10 Aug 2026 11:43:59 -0400, Wilson 
>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/9/2026 6:12 PM, dart200 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/9/26 11:28 AM, Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/9/2026 1:34 PM, dart200 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/9/26 8:45 AM, Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At its core, free enterprise and a market economy can be 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reduced in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many ways to an economic ideology centered around 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> private property.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It gives me extraordinary joy to see how our founders, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in writing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Declaration of Independence, declared that all men 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> were "endowed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, among 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here, the founders took the natural rights John Locke 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote about in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his Second Treatise of Government in 1690 – "lives, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> liberties, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> estates, which I call by the general name, property," 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and broadened
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it.  They presupposed that property was necessary for 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> liberty and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that the greater aspiration behind private property was 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "pursuit of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happiness" (what we call "human flourishing" in my 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tradition).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just weeks before the Declaration of Independence was 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> written,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> George Mason had codified in the Virginia Declaration of 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rights that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "the enjoyment of life and liberty, with the means of 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> acquiring and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> possessing property" were predicates to "pursuing and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> obtaining
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happiness and safety."  The founding fathers were not 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> waxing and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> waning philosophically – well, they were not /only/ 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doing that –
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they were expressing the lived experience of the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> settlers in the new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> world.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The lived experience that served as the bedrock of our 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nation was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one of private ownership driving incentives, of communal 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ownership
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discouraging productive work, and one where resentment was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inevitable when rewards were equal, but effort was not. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Communal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ownership of property had failed in practice because it 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was first a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> failed theory.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Private property is a natural right that flows from our 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ability to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> earn, hold, possess, retain, and manage the fruits of 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> our own labor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It produces responsibility, stewardship, and abundance 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that align
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with human nature.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David L. Bahnsen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i love how capitalists love to jerk themselves off about 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> freedom and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> flourishing endlessly while ignoring the fact 7/8 are 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enslaved to a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nation-state system that coercively interferes with basic 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> freedom of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> movement
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this world is a travesty of authoritarian control all you 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can do is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keep crying endlessly about private property, as 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> violently owning
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stuff is the _only_ principle you actually care about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Self-defense is not the initiation of violence, and as it 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is oriented
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> towards the protection of life and the thriving of the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> human person,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it is a natural human right.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you are _not_ your property
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Property as gained by the effort and work of a human being is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inherently a part of that person's life. As such, defense 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> property is also a human right.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> even the person who first came up with that predicated that 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> right to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> mixing labor with land to claim property, on there being 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> enough common
>>>>>>>>>>>>> lands left for all to utilize...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> which we've gone so far past that you want to keep 7/8 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> people on this
>>>>>>>>>>>>> planet chained to the nation state they were born in 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> without even the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> permission to leave.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyone who attempts to take away one's property or other 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> natural
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rights is an enabler of tyranny, and therefore an enemy of 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> life and of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> humanity.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not keeping them in their home countries. They just 
>>>>>>>>>>>> can't all come
>>>>>>>>>>>> here, that's all.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Ok, lets change the wording a little.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "you want to keep 7/8 people on this
>>>>>>>>>>> planet chained to nation states where they can have no 
>>>>>>>>>>> future, no hope
>>>>>>>>>>> of improvement in their lives without even the permission to go
>>>>>>>>>>> somewhere better."
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> No, I don't want to keep them "chained to nation states". As 
>>>>>>>>>> far as I'm concerned they are free to go anywhere that's 
>>>>>>>>>> willing to accept them.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> my god the endless stupidity of capitalist morons refusing to 
>>>>>>>>> accept responsibility for the bullshit they preach...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> which ofc is expected. a honest person cannot hold the 
>>>>>>>>> positions of sheeplefried capitalists.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm not even that attached to the idea of nation-states and 
>>>>>>>>>> kind of like the idea of free places that are outside of the 
>>>>>>>>>> nation- state.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In any case, no place is obligated to accept everyone that 
>>>>>>>>>> wants to go there. The current citizens get a say in the matter.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> you _are_ the fucking problem wilson. if the richest country on 
>>>>>>>>> the planet can't "afford" basic freedom of movement, then how 
>>>>>>>>> in the fuck do you expect others to follow???
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ur pathetic "well-wishings" are meaningless platitudes compares 
>>>>>>>>> to the subethical positions you hold, which are directly causal 
>>>>>>>>> in chaining 7/8 people on the planet to the nation states of 
>>>>>>>>> their birth, something they have _zero_ choice
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Go get your consensus and then get back to me.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Over 99.9% of all people live in nation states. It's up to them 
>>>>>>> to take care of their own, or not.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The US has no business interfering with any nation states and 
>>>>>>> their private property or internal affairs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the US spent most a century interfering with internal affairs to 
>>>>>> ensure private property stands as a global norm, no matter the 
>>>>>> cost. it's the _only_ thing u fucking braindead apes care about
>>>>>>
>>>>> Let me be clear:
>>>>>
>>>>> Libertarians strongly support staying out of international wars and 
>>>>
>>>> so why'd u elect trump dumbass?
>>>>
>>>>> foreign affairs. We believe in a foreign policy of non- 
>>>>> intervention, peaceful trade, and a strong national defense - 
>>>>> rather than foreign military involvement or nation-building.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> you don't even believe in ending tariffs let alone opening borders
>>>>
>>> Obviously, extended conflicts and foreign entanglements lead to 
>>> bigger government power, higher taxes, and a loss of personal 
>>> freedoms at home.
>>>
>>> Take care of your own business.
>>
>> part of my business is ensuring i keep arguing for a better world for 
>> my son, u halfwit retard
>>
> You came here to argue for a better wrld?
> 
> Conservative libertarians argue that military force is strictly 
> legitimate only for direct national self-defense.
> 
> They apply the non-aggression principle to foreign policy, maintaining 
> that a nation—like an individual—has an absolute right to use 
> proportional violence to repel an overt, active invasion, but cannot 
> justify pre-emptive wars, foreign interventionism, or empire-building.

you clearly support trump, so you clearly aren't that

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