Re: Private Property

On 8/11/26 7:30 PM, Dude wrote:
> On 8/11/2026 4:17 PM, dart200 wrote:
>> On 8/11/26 3:42 PM, Dude wrote:
>>> On 8/11/2026 3:06 PM, dart200 wrote:
>>>> On 8/11/26 2:12 PM, Dude wrote:
>>>>> On 8/11/2026 1:44 PM, dart200 wrote:
>>>>>> On 8/11/26 10:35 AM, Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>> On 8/10/2026 4:06 PM, dart200 wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 8/10/26 9:26 AM, Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 8/10/2026 12:03 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 10 Aug 2026 11:43:59 -0400, Wilson 
>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/9/2026 6:12 PM, dart200 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/9/26 11:28 AM, Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/9/2026 1:34 PM, dart200 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/9/26 8:45 AM, Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At its core, free enterprise and a market economy can be 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reduced in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many ways to an economic ideology centered around private 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> property.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It gives me extraordinary joy to see how our founders, in 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> writing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Declaration of Independence, declared that all men 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> were "endowed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, among 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here, the founders took the natural rights John Locke 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote about in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his Second Treatise of Government in 1690 – "lives, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> liberties, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> estates, which I call by the general name, property," and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broadened
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it.  They presupposed that property was necessary for 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> liberty and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that the greater aspiration behind private property was 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "pursuit of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happiness" (what we call "human flourishing" in my 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tradition).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just weeks before the Declaration of Independence was 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> written,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> George Mason had codified in the Virginia Declaration of 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rights that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "the enjoyment of life and liberty, with the means of 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> acquiring and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> possessing property" were predicates to "pursuing and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> obtaining
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happiness and safety."  The founding fathers were not 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> waxing and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> waning philosophically – well, they were not /only/ doing 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that –
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they were expressing the lived experience of the settlers 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> world.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The lived experience that served as the bedrock of our 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nation was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one of private ownership driving incentives, of communal 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ownership
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discouraging productive work, and one where resentment was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inevitable when rewards were equal, but effort was not. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Communal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ownership of property had failed in practice because it 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was first a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> failed theory.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Private property is a natural right that flows from our 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ability to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> earn, hold, possess, retain, and manage the fruits of our 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> own labor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It produces responsibility, stewardship, and abundance 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that align
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with human nature.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David L. Bahnsen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i love how capitalists love to jerk themselves off about 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> freedom and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> flourishing endlessly while ignoring the fact 7/8 are 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enslaved to a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nation-state system that coercively interferes with basic 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> freedom of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> movement
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this world is a travesty of authoritarian control all you 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can do is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keep crying endlessly about private property, as violently 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> owning
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stuff is the _only_ principle you actually care about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Self-defense is not the initiation of violence, and as it 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is oriented
>>>>>>>>>>>>> towards the protection of life and the thriving of the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> human person,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it is a natural human right.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> you are _not_ your property
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Property as gained by the effort and work of a human being is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> inherently a part of that person's life. As such, defense 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> property is also a human right.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> even the person who first came up with that predicated that 
>>>>>>>>>>>> right to
>>>>>>>>>>>> mixing labor with land to claim property, on there being 
>>>>>>>>>>>> enough common
>>>>>>>>>>>> lands left for all to utilize...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> which we've gone so far past that you want to keep 7/8 
>>>>>>>>>>>> people on this
>>>>>>>>>>>> planet chained to the nation state they were born in without 
>>>>>>>>>>>> even the
>>>>>>>>>>>> permission to leave.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyone who attempts to take away one's property or other 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> natural
>>>>>>>>>>>>> rights is an enabler of tyranny, and therefore an enemy of 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> life and of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> humanity.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not keeping them in their home countries. They just can't 
>>>>>>>>>>> all come
>>>>>>>>>>> here, that's all.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ok, lets change the wording a little.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "you want to keep 7/8 people on this
>>>>>>>>>> planet chained to nation states where they can have no future, 
>>>>>>>>>> no hope
>>>>>>>>>> of improvement in their lives without even the permission to go
>>>>>>>>>> somewhere better."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No, I don't want to keep them "chained to nation states". As 
>>>>>>>>> far as I'm concerned they are free to go anywhere that's 
>>>>>>>>> willing to accept them.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> my god the endless stupidity of capitalist morons refusing to 
>>>>>>>> accept responsibility for the bullshit they preach...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> which ofc is expected. a honest person cannot hold the positions 
>>>>>>>> of sheeplefried capitalists.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm not even that attached to the idea of nation-states and 
>>>>>>>>> kind of like the idea of free places that are outside of the 
>>>>>>>>> nation- state.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In any case, no place is obligated to accept everyone that 
>>>>>>>>> wants to go there. The current citizens get a say in the matter.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> you _are_ the fucking problem wilson. if the richest country on 
>>>>>>>> the planet can't "afford" basic freedom of movement, then how in 
>>>>>>>> the fuck do you expect others to follow???
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ur pathetic "well-wishings" are meaningless platitudes compares 
>>>>>>>> to the subethical positions you hold, which are directly causal 
>>>>>>>> in chaining 7/8 people on the planet to the nation states of 
>>>>>>>> their birth, something they have _zero_ choice
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Go get your consensus and then get back to me.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> why do i have to fix the mess the coercive mess your fucking 
>>>>>> ungodly ideology created???
>>>>>>
>>>>>> where do u think ur next life will end up, eh???
>>>>>>
>>>>> There's just not much an individual can do to fix the mess you 
>>>>> created.
>>>>
>>>> you could start by advocating for it as a problem instead of 
>>>> endlessly denying it's a problem u stupid fuck
>>>>
>>> You came here for enlightenment?
>>
>> there we do dud: i give a suggestion and you just pathetically duck it 
>> cause we both know you don't give a single fuck that the "freedom" of 
>> capitalism is chaining 7/8 out people to their nation of birth
>>
> Over 99.9% of all the people living in nation states support capitalism 
> in one form or another in a mixed economy in a free market system.

trying to survive isn't the same thing as supporting you moron. we never 
established support, cause that system doesn't exist, not that you even 
give flying fuck about proper evidence dud

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