Re: The Absolute Truth

At Sun, 16 Aug 2026 21:48:27 GMT, Dude
<[email protected]> wrote:

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> "Doc Hammerslack" <[email protected]> posted:
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> > At Sat, 15 Aug 2026 09:57:22 -0400, Noah Sombrero <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > On Sat, 15 Aug 2026 06:54:10 +0000, Creon <[email protected]>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > At Fri, 14 Aug 2026 20:00:49 -0700, Dude <[email protected]>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Just tell the Truth.
> > > >>
> > > >> Will someone, anyone, tell me the Truth? For God's sake. Just
> > > >> spell out the whole goddamned absolute truth! Or, just keep on
> > > >> lying. Lying to yourself! YMMV.
> > > >
> > > >"In the beginning was the Word..."[*]
> > > >
> > > >"Logos", thought by some pre-Socratic philosophers to mean
> > > >"the divine order" -- that is to say, the Laws of Nature.[***]
> > > >
> > > >[*] Literally, "Logos"[**]
> > > >
> > > >[**] An idea that had been around longer that 500 years before
> > > >the author of the fourth gospel tried to claim Jesus was its
> > > >personification.
> > > >
> > > >[***] A close reading of _A Brief History of Time_ will find
> > > >Dr. Hawking appears to agree.
> > > >
> > > >...Um, wait -- were you talking about "truth" or "TRVTH"?
> > >
> > > Only a LIAR asks what is TRVTH? - Pilate.
> >
> > I constructed that whole post, and _that's_ what you
> > came out with on the other end? smdh.
> >
> > Some of us (TINU), for whom the "truth" has become synonymous with
> > "TRVTH", have learned to *survive* by pulling the wool over our
> > _own_ eyes.
> >
> > All we can do is try to leverage what time we have left, to try
> > to make the world a better place.
> >
> > (And here it is, almost 2 in the morning, and I'm taking the
> > time to explain that.  For more fun, I joust windmills.)
> >
> It should go without saying, that the absolute truth can't be put
> into words.
>
> Having said that, there are actually two truths: there is relative
> truth and there is absolute truth.
>
> Just saying.
>
> Since 1993, thousands have come here to get enlightened. Never
> underestimate the power of very short spans of time. In a flash of
> insight, you could be new all through. It could happen to you.

You know just as well as I do that there are different types
of "enlightenment".

Kensho is one.  I don't think people come here for that -- or do they?
(Beats me.)

We talked about this at our UU men's alpha group recently, where
the topic of discussion rolled around to people who self-report
certain things, such as "I am enlightened" or "I am not conscious."

(Personally, I think if someone reports themself as "not conscious",
you should believe them, and take it as an opportunity to really
talk with them about what it means to be a verifiable "philosophical
zombie".)

One of the guys, a wise old sage, said, "Alright, you've found
me out -- I am 'enlightened'.  Prove me wrong."  Later he also
revealed he was a space alien sent to Earth to study our species.
Then he let on that he was kidding about the latter, and that he
was thinking of starting a blog with that premise.

Oh, and finally:  "dart200", you could have your own blog for
the low, low price of $5/mo at Digital Ocean.  (Of course, if it
gets popular, you'll need a bigger vps than the starter kit...)

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