Re: on why are you a bunch of racist pricks?

On Mon, 24 Aug 2026 12:47:33 -0400, Wilson <[email protected]>
wrote:

>On 8/23/2026 3:03 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
>> On Sun, 23 Aug 2026 19:00:48 +0100, Julian <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>> On 23/08/2026 18:43, Wilson wrote:
>>>> On 8/23/2026 11:55 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 23 Aug 2026 16:37:21 +0100, Julian <[email protected]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Concerning the long leftist tradition of disposable peasants....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "The deadliest man-made and politically driven famines in history were
>>>>>> caused by extreme state policies, forced collectivization, and
>>>>>> intentional food requisitioning.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The largest include the Great Chinese Famine (1959–1961) with 15 to 55
>>>>>> million deaths, and the Soviet Holodomor (1932–1933) which killed
>>>>>> millions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Major Man-Made and State-Induced Famines
>>>>>
>>>>> It is odd to me that you blame the systems and not the dictators who
>>>>> ran them.  But that coincidence of their pairing is often used to
>>>>> bolster rightie thinking.  As if the system made them tyrants instead
>>>>> of the tyrants ruining the system.
>>>>
>>>> The system not only allowed, it encouraged the tyrants.
>>>>
>>>> "If the intellectuals in the plays of Chekhov who spent all their time
>>>> guessing what would happen in twenty, thirty, or forty years had been
>>>> told that in forty years interrogation by torture would be practiced in
>>>> Russia; that prisoners would have their skulls squeezed within iron
>>>> rings; that a human being would be lowered into an acid bath; that they
>>>> would be trussed up naked to be bitten by ants and bedbugs; that a
>>>> ramrod heated over a primus stove would be thrust up their anal canal
>>>> (the “secret brand”); that a man’s genitals would be slowly crushed
>>>> beneath the toe of a jackboot; and that, in the luckiest possible
>>>> circumstances, prisoners would be tortured by being kept from sleeping
>>>> for a week, by thirst, and by being beaten to a bloody pulp, not one of
>>>> Chekhov’s plays would have gotten to its end because all the heroes
>>>> would have gone off to insane asylums.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, not only Chekhov’s heroes, but what normal Russian at the beginning
>>>> of the century, including any member of the Russian Social Democratic
>>>> Workers’ Party, could have believed, would have tolerated, such a
>>>> slander against the bright future? What had been acceptable under Tsar
>>>> Aleksei Mikhailovich in the seventeenth century, what had already been
>>>> regarded as barbarism under Peter the Great, what might have been used
>>>> against ten or twenty people in all during the time of Biron in the mid-
>>>> eighteenth century, what had already become totally impossible under
>>>> Catherine the Great, was all being practiced during the flowering of the
>>>> glorious twentieth century — in a society based on socialist principles,
>>>> and at a time when airplanes were flying and the radio and talking films
>>>> had already appeared — not by one scoundrel alone in one secret place
>>>> only, but by tens of thousands of specially trained human beasts
>>>> standing over millions of defenseless victims."
>>>>
>>>> The Gulag Archipelago
>>>>
>>>> https://x.com/AI_Solzhenitsyn/status/2091503798195724672
>>>
>>> There'll always be some who insist the ideology is infallible
>>> and it's just a simple matter of correct implementation that
>>> has, conveniently, finally emerged and is in their possession.
>> 
>> That is not what I said.  I said a rotten leader can corrupt any
>> system, and a good principled wise leader can make any system work.
>> 
>> Too bad we have such an oversupply of the first kind.
>
>He wasn't replying to you.
The general assertion addressed was:
There'll always be some who insist the ideology is infallible

That assertion demands a response no matter who says it to whom.  The
"correct implementation" argument is simply irrelevant. Implementation
is irrelevant.  Who implements is relevant.  If you implementer is an
asshole, mission aborted.
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or I'll tie you to a railroad track and
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